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Morrissey Breen
2021-12-23 10:22:56 UTC
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What's Up With Justin Trudeau? | Chapo Trap House | Episode 355

North American Scum feat. Luke Savage and Don Hughes (10/3/19).
10:00 He offers twee uplift, in the manner of Upworthy. 13:30 JT = the ultimate performative woke guy.

The Nightmare Of War With Iraq (Chapo Trap House Episode 331)


Megan McCardle< Why You Should Happily Die for Big Pharma (Chapo Trap House Episode


The Lincoln Grooming Project (Seeking Derangements and Mike Recine)...


Drinking Bleach for QAnon...

Morrissey Breen
2021-12-23 10:40:39 UTC
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The Swordfish Episode (Chapo Trap House episode 67 FULL)


Big Structural Bailey (Chapo Trap House)


Stephen Colbert talks Cancel Culture, Dave Chappelle, amd the Insurrection....


Live Taping of "The Axe Files" with Jon Stewart, hosted by David Axelrod...

Morrissey Breen
2021-12-25 06:36:26 UTC
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Return of the Baseball Crank (Chapo Trap House)...


Chapo Trap House - Taking the NYT Year End Quiz 2021...


Trump, the Iraq War and Anderson Cooper's BS (Representative Press)...


Tarantino blasts woke Hollywood on the Bill Maher show...


BlueAnon cult attacks Sarah Silverman....

Morrissey Breen
2021-12-25 11:34:35 UTC
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D Triple C 6 Mafia feat. Ryan Grim | Chapo Trap House | Episode 180 FULL


Chapo Trap House - Let's Go Brandon and Ted Lasso


Chapo Trap House: Hyper_Hillary_Jokerfication (Fixed auido)


RA flips out on TYT after Cenk calls J. Dore a bitch and another Tim Pool/Dave Rubin...


Nick Fuentes re feminism and never having had a GF...


Chapo Trap House (ft. Jeff Stein of the WaPo) - The Infrastructure Plan and the DNC's Incompetence

Post by Morrissey Breen
Return of the Baseball Crank (Chapo Trap House)...
http://youtu.be/3cGHYjgB8CI
Chapo Trap House - Taking the NYT Year End Quiz 2021...
http://youtu.be/aOSZdOaDsfk
Trump, the Iraq War and Anderson Cooper's BS (Representative Press)...
http://youtu.be/jF2364A3cCw
Tarantino blasts woke Hollywood on the Bill Maher show...
http://youtu.be/j8aVT8WSHsc
BlueAnon cult attacks Sarah Silverman....
http://youtu.be/aZcKpGd_PKI
Morrissey Breen
2021-12-28 07:09:53 UTC
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Hopper's Nighthawks explained...


Pramila Jayapal's disastrous interview with Mehdi Hasan--->the entire Left turning on her....


Casino - Joe Pesci threatens banker....

Morrissey Breen
2021-12-29 19:58:24 UTC
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Kill Bill feat. Stavros Halkias (Chapo Trap House Episode 588 FULL)


Howard gets angry at Baba Booey...


Matt Christman: Why Obama loves The Wire...


Landlord TikTok is pure evil...

Pres. Morales calls out U.S. foreign policy (Reprsentative Press)...

Nick's forbidden bit (CUMTOWN Animated)...

Every artist will love these workshop tips!

Charlotte Perriand - Inventing A New World...

Post by Morrissey Breen
Hopper's Nighthawks explained...
http://youtu.be/lKIbT-4UFaE
Pramila Jayapal's disastrous interview with Mehdi Hasan--->the entire Left turning on her....
http://youtu.be/q7IfBRvgPoI
Casino - Joe Pesci threatens banker....
http://youtu.be/hchmmq1NkWA
Morrissey Breen
2021-12-30 18:52:36 UTC
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Chapo Trap House - Ross Douthat Origins Story


The CIA’s Plot to Assassinate Julian Assange

Remember kids, the highest award for journalism is getting killed by the CIA. /// “If the truth was revealed 95% of D.C would be behind bars” ~ Julian Assange 2016

Steve Jobs introduces iPhone in 2007

[UNLOCKED] Chapo Trap House Presents: Try Hard - Episode 483 FULL

The Shittalk Express | Chapo Trap House | Episode 240 FULL

Chapo Trap House - Celebrating John McCain's Death

Chapo Trap Hose - Picking the Biggest Democrat Fail Kid

Gilgamesh: I once went to passover dinner with the family of a guy who was a minor DNC operative. He ultimately burst into tears when he couldn’t get his son to stop playing meme songs on his phone during the rituals.
Nick Booze: The fail kids bracket is such a good segment. Also I can’t help to feel for Kennedy as a fellow Irish-Catholic psycho.
Zach: Hunter failed like Darth Vader, he ultimately didn’t win but everyone thinks of him as a cool character and even when Vader lost he was redeemed in the audiences eyes.
Post by Morrissey Breen
Kill Bill feat. Stavros Halkias (Chapo Trap House Episode 588 FULL)
http://youtu.be/KRVWAOfkPpU
Howard gets angry at Baba Booey...
http://youtu.be/PfRWRPa1GuU
Matt Christman: Why Obama loves The Wire...
http://youtu.be/Dsz9SJF0OLo
Landlord TikTok is pure evil...
http://youtu.be/OzKISiOFT3U
Pres. Morales calls out U.S. foreign policy (Reprsentative Press)...
http://youtu.be/O9rFd1RvncI
Nick's forbidden bit (CUMTOWN Animated)...
http://youtu.be/KJyrvfgf88s
Every artist will love these workshop tips!
http://youtu.be/jjluPRgVT28
Charlotte Perriand - Inventing A New World...
http://youtu.be/XA1vzl80cOE
Post by Morrissey Breen
Hopper's Nighthawks explained...
http://youtu.be/lKIbT-4UFaE
Pramila Jayapal's disastrous interview with Mehdi Hasan--->the entire Left turning on her....
http://youtu.be/q7IfBRvgPoI
Casino - Joe Pesci threatens banker....
http://youtu.be/hchmmq1NkWA
Morrissey Breen
2021-12-31 10:22:09 UTC
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Chapo Reading Series - Michael Wolff's Newest Book LANDSLIDE...

"smarmy, fish-faced..."

Poppy Part 1 Chapo Trap House Episode 471


Why is Ukraine the West's fault? feat. John Mearsheimer....

Post by Morrissey Breen
Chapo Trap House - Ross Douthat Origins Story
http://youtu.be/gnkbH1tjz7g
The CIA’s Plot to Assassinate Julian Assange
http://youtu.be/3fq83qbjPCM
Remember kids, the highest award for journalism is getting killed by the CIA. /// “If the truth was revealed 95% of D.C would be behind bars” ~ Julian Assange 2016
Steve Jobs introduces iPhone in 2007
http://youtu.be/MnrJzXM7a6o
[UNLOCKED] Chapo Trap House Presents: Try Hard - Episode 483 FULL
http://youtu.be/F3C1NB7FM3c
The Shittalk Express | Chapo Trap House | Episode 240 FULL
http://youtu.be/UT2SleL_cmY
Chapo Trap House - Celebrating John McCain's Death
http://youtu.be/MqRjtuYUCtA
Chapo Trap Hose - Picking the Biggest Democrat Fail Kid
http://youtu.be/ie-LKRlc4H4
Gilgamesh: I once went to passover dinner with the family of a guy who was a minor DNC operative. He ultimately burst into tears when he couldn’t get his son to stop playing meme songs on his phone during the rituals.
Nick Booze: The fail kids bracket is such a good segment. Also I can’t help to feel for Kennedy as a fellow Irish-Catholic psycho.
Zach: Hunter failed like Darth Vader, he ultimately didn’t win but everyone thinks of him as a cool character and even when Vader lost he was redeemed in the audiences eyes.
Post by Morrissey Breen
Kill Bill feat. Stavros Halkias (Chapo Trap House Episode 588 FULL)
http://youtu.be/KRVWAOfkPpU
Howard gets angry at Baba Booey...
http://youtu.be/PfRWRPa1GuU
Matt Christman: Why Obama loves The Wire...
http://youtu.be/Dsz9SJF0OLo
Landlord TikTok is pure evil...
http://youtu.be/OzKISiOFT3U
Pres. Morales calls out U.S. foreign policy (Reprsentative Press)...
http://youtu.be/O9rFd1RvncI
Nick's forbidden bit (CUMTOWN Animated)...
http://youtu.be/KJyrvfgf88s
Every artist will love these workshop tips!
http://youtu.be/jjluPRgVT28
Charlotte Perriand - Inventing A New World...
http://youtu.be/XA1vzl80cOE
Post by Morrissey Breen
Hopper's Nighthawks explained...
http://youtu.be/lKIbT-4UFaE
Pramila Jayapal's disastrous interview with Mehdi Hasan--->the entire Left turning on her....
http://youtu.be/q7IfBRvgPoI
Casino - Joe Pesci threatens banker....
http://youtu.be/hchmmq1NkWA
Morrissey Breen
2022-01-01 19:49:57 UTC
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Chapo Trap House (ft. Stavros Halkias) - Madison Cawthorn's Love Life


Bari Weiss's horrible idea for a university (Chapo Trap House)

Post by Morrissey Breen
Chapo Reading Series - Michael Wolff's Newest Book LANDSLIDE...
http://youtu.be/24PS57NGKH0
"smarmy, fish-faced..."
Poppy Part 1 Chapo Trap House Episode 471
http://youtu.be/6gk9dXa31lk
Why is Ukraine the West's fault? feat. John Mearsheimer....
http://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4
Post by Morrissey Breen
Chapo Trap House - Ross Douthat Origins Story
http://youtu.be/gnkbH1tjz7g
The CIA’s Plot to Assassinate Julian Assange
http://youtu.be/3fq83qbjPCM
Remember kids, the highest award for journalism is getting killed by the CIA. /// “If the truth was revealed 95% of D.C would be behind bars” ~ Julian Assange 2016
Steve Jobs introduces iPhone in 2007
http://youtu.be/MnrJzXM7a6o
[UNLOCKED] Chapo Trap House Presents: Try Hard - Episode 483 FULL
http://youtu.be/F3C1NB7FM3c
The Shittalk Express | Chapo Trap House | Episode 240 FULL
http://youtu.be/UT2SleL_cmY
Chapo Trap House - Celebrating John McCain's Death
http://youtu.be/MqRjtuYUCtA
Chapo Trap Hose - Picking the Biggest Democrat Fail Kid
http://youtu.be/ie-LKRlc4H4
Gilgamesh: I once went to passover dinner with the family of a guy who was a minor DNC operative. He ultimately burst into tears when he couldn’t get his son to stop playing meme songs on his phone during the rituals.
Nick Booze: The fail kids bracket is such a good segment. Also I can’t help to feel for Kennedy as a fellow Irish-Catholic psycho.
Zach: Hunter failed like Darth Vader, he ultimately didn’t win but everyone thinks of him as a cool character and even when Vader lost he was redeemed in the audiences eyes.
Post by Morrissey Breen
Kill Bill feat. Stavros Halkias (Chapo Trap House Episode 588 FULL)
http://youtu.be/KRVWAOfkPpU
Howard gets angry at Baba Booey...
http://youtu.be/PfRWRPa1GuU
Matt Christman: Why Obama loves The Wire...
http://youtu.be/Dsz9SJF0OLo
Landlord TikTok is pure evil...
http://youtu.be/OzKISiOFT3U
Pres. Morales calls out U.S. foreign policy (Reprsentative Press)...
http://youtu.be/O9rFd1RvncI
Nick's forbidden bit (CUMTOWN Animated)...
http://youtu.be/KJyrvfgf88s
Every artist will love these workshop tips!
http://youtu.be/jjluPRgVT28
Charlotte Perriand - Inventing A New World...
http://youtu.be/XA1vzl80cOE
Post by Morrissey Breen
Hopper's Nighthawks explained...
http://youtu.be/lKIbT-4UFaE
Pramila Jayapal's disastrous interview with Mehdi Hasan--->the entire Left turning on her....
http://youtu.be/q7IfBRvgPoI
Casino - Joe Pesci threatens banker....
http://youtu.be/hchmmq1NkWA
Morrissey Breen
2022-01-06 08:18:22 UTC
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Office of Mario and Brothers | Chapo Trap House | Episode 476 FULL (11/30/20)

I kinda like the old screen saver logo better. This looks like a deleted scene from Ready Player One. It's like an app that turns any logo into the movie Hackers. I bet it was made to justify the Oculus Rift purchased on the Chapo credit card. /// whoever taught Will how to say the vowel 'a' needs to be arrested on some kind of charge. is this a bit? how has no one called him out on it? i've heard people say Mare-io before but combined with his rAHther i jus can't. oh great show by the way love you guys /// Roommate worked with TSA at JFK Airport back in 2012 for 6 months and worked the special terminal where private jets would board. He would see celebrities all the time. Gerrard Butler showed up one day looking hella chunky and asked him "Damn G, what happened you used to be jacked?" to which he replied "I like hamburgers too fokken much, and deadlifting 500lbs every day gets old fast!" /// Notice that Virgil Texas has been doing the Bad Faith podcast for months and not once, to my knowledge, has it been plugged on Chapo Trap House.

Obama Admin Speedrun feat. Osita Nwanevu (Chapo Trap House Episode 474 FULL)


World Tree Center - Chapo Trap House Episode 478 FULL


Masque of the Orange Death - Chapo Trap House episode 480 FULL


Dr. Jill, Medicine Woman - Chapo Trap House ep. 480 FULL


ThankMedical feat. Andrew Hudson - Chap Trap House ep. 460 FULL


Me Me Madness - Chapo Trap House ep. 504 FULL

Morrissey Breen
2022-01-10 11:44:52 UTC
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2 Cities, 1 Cup | Chapo Trap House | Episode 306 FULL

We review Ben Shapiro's book "The Right Side of History."
6:00 Amber: "He's a dumber Steve Bannon."

The Story of Aaron Swartz...


Twisted Tales - Chapo Trap House ep. 346 FULL


Rahm Emmanuelle: The Joys of a Neolib feat. Ryan Grim (Chapo Trap House ep. 318 FULL)


The Story of Coach O -- Chapo Trap House ep. 378 FULL


Borderline - Chapo Trap House ep. 212 FULL

Morrissey Breen
2022-01-13 10:39:09 UTC
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Sympathy For The Joker | Chapo Trap House | Episode 356 FULL


Pod Darn America (Chapo Trap House ep. 225 CLIP)

Post by Morrissey Breen
2 Cities, 1 Cup | Chapo Trap House | Episode 306 FULL
http://youtu.be/-xIFQaYq-n8
We review Ben Shapiro's book "The Right Side of History."
6:00 Amber: "He's a dumber Steve Bannon."
The Story of Aaron Swartz...
http://youtu.be/9vz06QO3UkQ
Twisted Tales - Chapo Trap House ep. 346 FULL
http://youtu.be/o21CdUtqerY
Rahm Emmanuelle: The Joys of a Neolib feat. Ryan Grim (Chapo Trap House ep. 318 FULL)
http://youtu.be/Z_EjJhrVqo0
The Story of Coach O -- Chapo Trap House ep. 378 FULL
http://youtu.be/RRDYKZKql_U
Borderline - Chapo Trap House ep. 212 FULL
http://youtu.be/bjnKIeGTLZc
Morrissey Breen
2022-01-13 10:46:56 UTC
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You're Not Going To Remember Any Of This Shit: Joker, Reviewed
ByFelix Biederman
10/04/19 9:48AM
I
“The feeling that the future does not exist, that it is only more of the same, means all utopias are meaningless. Literature has always been relegated to utopia, so when utopia loses meaning, so does literature.”

-Karl Ove Knausgaard, Min Kamp 1

“I’ve tried to find meaning in my life, and I just can’t.”

-Brian Griffin (The Dog), Seth McFarlane’s Family Guy (Volume 10).

Certain periods of American history can now be viewed solely through the lens of the Joker we had at the time. The 1960s had Cesar Romero, whose slapstick hijinks mirrored the CIA’s comical efforts to kill communist leaders using exploding condoms and poisoned dental dams. The 1990s gave us Jack Nicholson, a relic of decades past who committed Adbusters-like crimes such as making an art gallery very scary and twisted. In our dark and gritty aftermath of 9/11 and the national humiliation in Iraq, we had dark and gritty Heath Ledger, arguably the most iconic iteration of the character.

When we snapped out of our angst, we had Jared Leto play the funniest Joker of all time, an initially unintentionally funny byproduct of a moron actor who thought himself far smarter than he actually was, in turn talked about endlessly by members of the media who thought themselves far smarter than they actually were (hey, that’s me!). The months we spent making fun of Leto’s Joker actually look very quaint now. They’re sort of a time capsule, a last look at what semi-irony literate media obsessives spoke and behaved like before Donald Trump was elected, possibly the very last instance of everyone having sustained fun together.

In the three years since, the same throngs still consume every bit of media tossed their way, but with a new seriousness. People who read and react to every post, article, show, and movie have had their brains battered by the Trump era. The human mind probably could not process the sheer volume of things we were supposed to react to before this all became too real for us back in November 2016, and it assuredly cannot now.

Every single day, a few odd hundred thousand people stare into poisonous blue light rays and feel debilitating rage at some things that understandably prompt it and some things that do not. In any event, they will respond with a generic style of online sarcasm that’s been culled from the greatest perma-banned posters of the last decade and sanitized into nothingness. You spew out their words while you react to every macro and micro Trump scandal, watching him mostly weather each cycle not so much unscathed, but ready for a new one that will make you forget about the last one. Everyone is always having a normal one in the normal world, as we clench our teeth so hard we begin to bleed.

People aren’t complete idiots, and know that consuming and reacting to every bit of political media input in and of itself won’t change anything. But I think for some, they’re in a paralyzed state. It’s like a hangover, where any light or movement causes unfathomable pain and you’ve just got to lie in a dehydrated heap until those vapors leave your brain. You know the boring, inconclusive future, and so you have no use in imagining a better life. You just sit around reacting until the next thing.

If you’ve got into the habit of taking and spitting out everything, it’s easy to apply the same rubric to culture. That is how you get the reaction you got to Todd Phillips’s 2019 Joker. In goes a shockingly average movie that I’d probably rate under Four Brothers, out goes more fear-mongering and vociferous defense than for any movie from the past couple of years.

I made sure to see this movie in a well-trafficked theater because I wanted to see if I could spot any undercover cops. However, I made the stupid choice of going to Williamsburg, where everyone looks like a cop on an NBC show. The theater could have been all unusually telegenic cops and then just me, and I never would have figured it out. For what it’s worth, the place was packed to the brim. I’m sure Williamsburg has its fair share of media over-consumers, but judging by the smattering of applause the film received at the end, I don’t think they were well represented at my particular screening.

The movie itself is very straightforward. Arthur Fleck (Joaquin Phoenix in a typically incredible performance) is a man with severe neurological trauma, with one of the symptoms being that he laughs at inappropriate times. Fleck lives with his elderly mother Penny (Frances Conroy) and takes care of her, both revelling in Murray Franklin’s (Robert De Niro) late night comedy show. He works as a clown, performing tasks such as sign spinning and hospital visits. He seems to enjoy his work, although he is frequently abused and demeaned by the public and seen as a weirdo by his coworkers.

One night Fleck is on the subway, reflecting on his long day of being in society, and he sees a group of Wall Street pricks aggressively hit on, then harass a woman in his train car. One thing leads to another, and our protagonist shoots them dead to the last man in one of the film’s best scenes. From there, Fleck decides to show society who’s living in who. He performs standup, but his laughing disorder interrupts his prewritten jokes about what it’s like being on Tinder. He has a dalliance with pretty and charming single mother Sophie Dumond (Zazie Beetz). He is led to believe he is actually the love child of his mother and fascist industrialist Thomas Wayne (Brett Cullen). He is suspected, then pursued for the murder of the three men on the subway who he robbed of a future of investing in Theranos. His murders start a social movement in Gotham’s underclass, who begin identifying with clowns.

Fleck is eventually called up to Murray’s show after his nervous laughter-riddled set goes the 1970s version of viral, which was when your uncle mailed you a VHS tape and you made copies and mailed it to your friends and it became a national story approximately two years later. Before making it there, Fleck gets absolutely duffed by the pencil-pusher schlub Thomas Wayne when he tries to confront him. He then kills his hospitalized mother after realizing both that he is adopted and that she enabled horrific abuse on him as a child. Then he realizes he hallucinated his courtship with Sophie.

Fleck goes on Murray’s show, and after uncomfortably forcing a kiss with a Dr. Ruth stand-in (Sondra James), goes all the way in on society. Before this scene, I would actually fantasize about being society, because people would never notice my hypocrisy. Trust me, I do not have that wish anymore. Fleck freaks out and shoots Murray in the head, and then after being arrested, is freed by a rioting group of clown protestors, one of whom shoots Thomas and Martha Wayne (Carrie Louise Putrello), giving us decades of gravely self-important movies about a guy who makes a scary voice to freak out the mafia.

This was one of the most middling films I have ever seen. It may have been fully bad, but I just graded it higher due to how great Phoenix is. It actually made a ton of sense; if someone had just laid it out bare, that the director of The Hangover series was going to make his version of King of Comedy but with The Joker, I would not have been so excited to see it. Todd Phillips’s comedic repertoire is a bunch of guys seeing a fat man in a speedo and exclaiming, “Okay, that’s just wrong!” Given a million tries, he could never make something as hilarious but uncomfortable as King of Comedy.

The movie had very little to do with the incel panic people built up around it. The Joker’s main antagonist is the wealthy, and for good reason. He has fantasies about women, but he doesn’t seem terribly interested in laying clown pipe. At no point does he consider getting cosmetic cranial surgery. But everyone pinning this particular set of fears on this movie was incredibly predictable, as “incel” is one of those words journalists learned a year ago and have tricked themselves into believing they’ve known it their whole lives and can deploy it fluently. People saw this and decided that a movie about an abandoned, sad, abused man was about their new favorite word, alternating between repetitive mockery and belief that they would be martyred for reviewing it. It could be one of the darkly funnier outcomes, that this unremarkable movie about a sad, fucked-up guy becomes a rallying point for incels solely because journalists decided that’s what it was about, but I suspect that like everything in our culture, this will be swept up before we notice it.

Joker had the opportunity to be a really good, interesting movie. I firmly believe the biggest unnoticed problem in our culture right now is loneliness, and this could have been a seminal look at our isolated time. It also could have been way funnier, or at least not taken itself so seriously at every moment. It could not have beaten the viewer over the head with the idea that Arthur Fleck is a strange guy and blasted us with genre typical booming orchestrals to remind us what we’re supposed to feel. Unfortunately, we got a version of AJ Soprano talking about Nietzsche, even if Joaquin Phoenix was doing it.

I firmly believe that we are, as a culture, attempting to relive 2004-2006 by playing World of Warcraft, listening to Tool, and watching self-serious Batman universe movies. But if this film had come out in that time and you removed The Joker from the equation, it would be forgotten a day after its release. Maybe years later, people would resuscitate parts of it to use in YouTube meme videos so the president would retweet it. Its main cultural cache would most likely be the DVD that your dirtiest friend always leaves on in his sweltering room.

But all of this comes together to make Joaquin Phoenix’s Arthur Fleck the perfect Joker for our era; something that produces a whirlwind or reaction and counter-reaction, to the point that people are absolutely positive every theater will produce one mass shooting or that Joker will replace all western canon, and after all that, we get a positively unremarkable expedition that will be forgotten by Thanksgiving, a product of a media economy where three companies who make everything keep it as efficient as possible by just making a few types of media properties and hoping people will tear each other apart in the cramped space to increase every product’s Q rating. It is an endless debate over a social phenomenon it’s not actually about, a boring culture war that will have no resolution, and a million jokes people on either side of it don’t actually have fun telling. It’s a bunch of clenched, gritting smiles that made Warner Brothers millions of dollars, and then you go home, more likely to die from boring yet equally evil indignities than getting killed at a culturally relevant event.

For a bonus, it’s in the superhero genre, one of three genres of film we are allowed now outside Noah Baumbach excursions about architects learning to accept their freewheeling stepbrothers and comedies that are made with an algorithm so every scene will be usable in GIF form. And you’ll probably be experiencing moral panics/emotional defenses of every single one of them for the rest of your life.

Todd Phillips may have performed the greatest Joker’s trick of all time, however. He may have made a movie that is more “5.5 out of 10” than any movie before it, and tricked us all into either arguing about how it would cause an army of incels to murder everyone, or get us so annoyed at the constant state of fear we’re supposed to live in that we start arguing with those voices, creating an endless feedback loop of people that are now working 40 hours a week on a volunteer basis to raise Joker awareness. If Phillips is aware of both his limitations as an artist and the current, sick condition of the highest volume consumers of media, he is more twisted than Mr J. himself. But to that end, he should just make another Hangover movie. Our culture that wishes it were the mid 2000s is far more ripe for that.

Until they make another fucking one of these, see you out there in society!


Continue reading

https://deadspin.com/youre-not-going-to-remember-any-of-this-shit-joker-re-1838770612
Post by Morrissey Breen
Sympathy For The Joker | Chapo Trap House | Episode 356 FULL
http://youtu.be/RjUmW4vsUoU
Pod Darn America (Chapo Trap House ep. 225 CLIP)
http://youtu.be/yuRsvqMqbUU
Post by Morrissey Breen
2 Cities, 1 Cup | Chapo Trap House | Episode 306 FULL
http://youtu.be/-xIFQaYq-n8
We review Ben Shapiro's book "The Right Side of History."
6:00 Amber: "He's a dumber Steve Bannon."
The Story of Aaron Swartz...
http://youtu.be/9vz06QO3UkQ
Twisted Tales - Chapo Trap House ep. 346 FULL
http://youtu.be/o21CdUtqerY
Rahm Emmanuelle: The Joys of a Neolib feat. Ryan Grim (Chapo Trap House ep. 318 FULL)
http://youtu.be/Z_EjJhrVqo0
The Story of Coach O -- Chapo Trap House ep. 378 FULL
http://youtu.be/RRDYKZKql_U
Borderline - Chapo Trap House ep. 212 FULL
http://youtu.be/bjnKIeGTLZc
Morrissey Breen
2022-01-16 00:52:54 UTC
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The Liberal Driller | Chapo Trap House (Episode 593 clip 1/13/22)


Chapo Reading Series - Thomas Friedman Wants a Biden-Cheney Ticket in 2024

Thomas Friedman is to political science what Deepak Chopra is to actual science. /// Hillary/Cheney vs Trump/pillow guy is the final season that america deserves.
Post by Morrissey Breen
You're Not Going To Remember Any Of This Shit: Joker, Reviewed
ByFelix Biederman
10/04/19 9:48AM
I
“The feeling that the future does not exist, that it is only more of the same, means all utopias are meaningless. Literature has always been relegated to utopia, so when utopia loses meaning, so does literature.”
-Karl Ove Knausgaard, Min Kamp 1
“I’ve tried to find meaning in my life, and I just can’t.”
-Brian Griffin (The Dog), Seth McFarlane’s Family Guy (Volume 10).
Certain periods of American history can now be viewed solely through the lens of the Joker we had at the time. The 1960s had Cesar Romero, whose slapstick hijinks mirrored the CIA’s comical efforts to kill communist leaders using exploding condoms and poisoned dental dams. The 1990s gave us Jack Nicholson, a relic of decades past who committed Adbusters-like crimes such as making an art gallery very scary and twisted. In our dark and gritty aftermath of 9/11 and the national humiliation in Iraq, we had dark and gritty Heath Ledger, arguably the most iconic iteration of the character.
When we snapped out of our angst, we had Jared Leto play the funniest Joker of all time, an initially unintentionally funny byproduct of a moron actor who thought himself far smarter than he actually was, in turn talked about endlessly by members of the media who thought themselves far smarter than they actually were (hey, that’s me!). The months we spent making fun of Leto’s Joker actually look very quaint now. They’re sort of a time capsule, a last look at what semi-irony literate media obsessives spoke and behaved like before Donald Trump was elected, possibly the very last instance of everyone having sustained fun together.
In the three years since, the same throngs still consume every bit of media tossed their way, but with a new seriousness. People who read and react to every post, article, show, and movie have had their brains battered by the Trump era. The human mind probably could not process the sheer volume of things we were supposed to react to before this all became too real for us back in November 2016, and it assuredly cannot now.
Every single day, a few odd hundred thousand people stare into poisonous blue light rays and feel debilitating rage at some things that understandably prompt it and some things that do not. In any event, they will respond with a generic style of online sarcasm that’s been culled from the greatest perma-banned posters of the last decade and sanitized into nothingness. You spew out their words while you react to every macro and micro Trump scandal, watching him mostly weather each cycle not so much unscathed, but ready for a new one that will make you forget about the last one. Everyone is always having a normal one in the normal world, as we clench our teeth so hard we begin to bleed.
People aren’t complete idiots, and know that consuming and reacting to every bit of political media input in and of itself won’t change anything. But I think for some, they’re in a paralyzed state. It’s like a hangover, where any light or movement causes unfathomable pain and you’ve just got to lie in a dehydrated heap until those vapors leave your brain. You know the boring, inconclusive future, and so you have no use in imagining a better life. You just sit around reacting until the next thing.
If you’ve got into the habit of taking and spitting out everything, it’s easy to apply the same rubric to culture. That is how you get the reaction you got to Todd Phillips’s 2019 Joker. In goes a shockingly average movie that I’d probably rate under Four Brothers, out goes more fear-mongering and vociferous defense than for any movie from the past couple of years.
I made sure to see this movie in a well-trafficked theater because I wanted to see if I could spot any undercover cops. However, I made the stupid choice of going to Williamsburg, where everyone looks like a cop on an NBC show. The theater could have been all unusually telegenic cops and then just me, and I never would have figured it out. For what it’s worth, the place was packed to the brim. I’m sure Williamsburg has its fair share of media over-consumers, but judging by the smattering of applause the film received at the end, I don’t think they were well represented at my particular screening.
The movie itself is very straightforward. Arthur Fleck (Joaquin Phoenix in a typically incredible performance) is a man with severe neurological trauma, with one of the symptoms being that he laughs at inappropriate times. Fleck lives with his elderly mother Penny (Frances Conroy) and takes care of her, both revelling in Murray Franklin’s (Robert De Niro) late night comedy show. He works as a clown, performing tasks such as sign spinning and hospital visits. He seems to enjoy his work, although he is frequently abused and demeaned by the public and seen as a weirdo by his coworkers.
One night Fleck is on the subway, reflecting on his long day of being in society, and he sees a group of Wall Street pricks aggressively hit on, then harass a woman in his train car. One thing leads to another, and our protagonist shoots them dead to the last man in one of the film’s best scenes. From there, Fleck decides to show society who’s living in who. He performs standup, but his laughing disorder interrupts his prewritten jokes about what it’s like being on Tinder. He has a dalliance with pretty and charming single mother Sophie Dumond (Zazie Beetz). He is led to believe he is actually the love child of his mother and fascist industrialist Thomas Wayne (Brett Cullen). He is suspected, then pursued for the murder of the three men on the subway who he robbed of a future of investing in Theranos. His murders start a social movement in Gotham’s underclass, who begin identifying with clowns.
Fleck is eventually called up to Murray’s show after his nervous laughter-riddled set goes the 1970s version of viral, which was when your uncle mailed you a VHS tape and you made copies and mailed it to your friends and it became a national story approximately two years later. Before making it there, Fleck gets absolutely duffed by the pencil-pusher schlub Thomas Wayne when he tries to confront him. He then kills his hospitalized mother after realizing both that he is adopted and that she enabled horrific abuse on him as a child. Then he realizes he hallucinated his courtship with Sophie.
Fleck goes on Murray’s show, and after uncomfortably forcing a kiss with a Dr. Ruth stand-in (Sondra James), goes all the way in on society. Before this scene, I would actually fantasize about being society, because people would never notice my hypocrisy. Trust me, I do not have that wish anymore. Fleck freaks out and shoots Murray in the head, and then after being arrested, is freed by a rioting group of clown protestors, one of whom shoots Thomas and Martha Wayne (Carrie Louise Putrello), giving us decades of gravely self-important movies about a guy who makes a scary voice to freak out the mafia.
This was one of the most middling films I have ever seen. It may have been fully bad, but I just graded it higher due to how great Phoenix is. It actually made a ton of sense; if someone had just laid it out bare, that the director of The Hangover series was going to make his version of King of Comedy but with The Joker, I would not have been so excited to see it. Todd Phillips’s comedic repertoire is a bunch of guys seeing a fat man in a speedo and exclaiming, “Okay, that’s just wrong!” Given a million tries, he could never make something as hilarious but uncomfortable as King of Comedy.
The movie had very little to do with the incel panic people built up around it. The Joker’s main antagonist is the wealthy, and for good reason. He has fantasies about women, but he doesn’t seem terribly interested in laying clown pipe. At no point does he consider getting cosmetic cranial surgery. But everyone pinning this particular set of fears on this movie was incredibly predictable, as “incel” is one of those words journalists learned a year ago and have tricked themselves into believing they’ve known it their whole lives and can deploy it fluently. People saw this and decided that a movie about an abandoned, sad, abused man was about their new favorite word, alternating between repetitive mockery and belief that they would be martyred for reviewing it. It could be one of the darkly funnier outcomes, that this unremarkable movie about a sad, fucked-up guy becomes a rallying point for incels solely because journalists decided that’s what it was about, but I suspect that like everything in our culture, this will be swept up before we notice it.
Joker had the opportunity to be a really good, interesting movie. I firmly believe the biggest unnoticed problem in our culture right now is loneliness, and this could have been a seminal look at our isolated time. It also could have been way funnier, or at least not taken itself so seriously at every moment. It could not have beaten the viewer over the head with the idea that Arthur Fleck is a strange guy and blasted us with genre typical booming orchestrals to remind us what we’re supposed to feel. Unfortunately, we got a version of AJ Soprano talking about Nietzsche, even if Joaquin Phoenix was doing it.
I firmly believe that we are, as a culture, attempting to relive 2004-2006 by playing World of Warcraft, listening to Tool, and watching self-serious Batman universe movies. But if this film had come out in that time and you removed The Joker from the equation, it would be forgotten a day after its release. Maybe years later, people would resuscitate parts of it to use in YouTube meme videos so the president would retweet it. Its main cultural cache would most likely be the DVD that your dirtiest friend always leaves on in his sweltering room.
But all of this comes together to make Joaquin Phoenix’s Arthur Fleck the perfect Joker for our era; something that produces a whirlwind or reaction and counter-reaction, to the point that people are absolutely positive every theater will produce one mass shooting or that Joker will replace all western canon, and after all that, we get a positively unremarkable expedition that will be forgotten by Thanksgiving, a product of a media economy where three companies who make everything keep it as efficient as possible by just making a few types of media properties and hoping people will tear each other apart in the cramped space to increase every product’s Q rating. It is an endless debate over a social phenomenon it’s not actually about, a boring culture war that will have no resolution, and a million jokes people on either side of it don’t actually have fun telling. It’s a bunch of clenched, gritting smiles that made Warner Brothers millions of dollars, and then you go home, more likely to die from boring yet equally evil indignities than getting killed at a culturally relevant event.
For a bonus, it’s in the superhero genre, one of three genres of film we are allowed now outside Noah Baumbach excursions about architects learning to accept their freewheeling stepbrothers and comedies that are made with an algorithm so every scene will be usable in GIF form. And you’ll probably be experiencing moral panics/emotional defenses of every single one of them for the rest of your life.
Todd Phillips may have performed the greatest Joker’s trick of all time, however. He may have made a movie that is more “5.5 out of 10” than any movie before it, and tricked us all into either arguing about how it would cause an army of incels to murder everyone, or get us so annoyed at the constant state of fear we’re supposed to live in that we start arguing with those voices, creating an endless feedback loop of people that are now working 40 hours a week on a volunteer basis to raise Joker awareness. If Phillips is aware of both his limitations as an artist and the current, sick condition of the highest volume consumers of media, he is more twisted than Mr J. himself. But to that end, he should just make another Hangover movie. Our culture that wishes it were the mid 2000s is far more ripe for that.
Until they make another fucking one of these, see you out there in society!
Continue reading
https://deadspin.com/youre-not-going-to-remember-any-of-this-shit-joker-re-1838770612
Post by Morrissey Breen
Sympathy For The Joker | Chapo Trap House | Episode 356 FULL
http://youtu.be/RjUmW4vsUoU
Pod Darn America (Chapo Trap House ep. 225 CLIP)
http://youtu.be/yuRsvqMqbUU
Post by Morrissey Breen
2 Cities, 1 Cup | Chapo Trap House | Episode 306 FULL
http://youtu.be/-xIFQaYq-n8
We review Ben Shapiro's book "The Right Side of History."
6:00 Amber: "He's a dumber Steve Bannon."
The Story of Aaron Swartz...
http://youtu.be/9vz06QO3UkQ
Twisted Tales - Chapo Trap House ep. 346 FULL
http://youtu.be/o21CdUtqerY
Rahm Emmanuelle: The Joys of a Neolib feat. Ryan Grim (Chapo Trap House ep. 318 FULL)
http://youtu.be/Z_EjJhrVqo0
The Story of Coach O -- Chapo Trap House ep. 378 FULL
http://youtu.be/RRDYKZKql_U
Borderline - Chapo Trap House ep. 212 FULL
http://youtu.be/bjnKIeGTLZc
Morrissey Breen
2022-01-20 11:43:04 UTC
Permalink
Raandy Rigs The Election | Chapo Trap House


Chapo Reading Series -- Michael Wolff's newest book...
http://youtu.be/24PS57NGKH0

Awful Range 15 movie reviewed by Chapo Trap House...

Post by Morrissey Breen
The Liberal Driller | Chapo Trap House (Episode 593 clip 1/13/22)
http://youtu.be/L2eq-rpAUIw
Chapo Reading Series - Thomas Friedman Wants a Biden-Cheney Ticket in 2024
http://youtu.be/gdgr8NUmVdc
Thomas Friedman is to political science what Deepak Chopra is to actual science. /// Hillary/Cheney vs Trump/pillow guy is the final season that america deserves.
Post by Morrissey Breen
You're Not Going To Remember Any Of This Shit: Joker, Reviewed
ByFelix Biederman
10/04/19 9:48AM
I
“The feeling that the future does not exist, that it is only more of the same, means all utopias are meaningless. Literature has always been relegated to utopia, so when utopia loses meaning, so does literature.”
-Karl Ove Knausgaard, Min Kamp 1
“I’ve tried to find meaning in my life, and I just can’t.”
-Brian Griffin (The Dog), Seth McFarlane’s Family Guy (Volume 10).
Certain periods of American history can now be viewed solely through the lens of the Joker we had at the time. The 1960s had Cesar Romero, whose slapstick hijinks mirrored the CIA’s comical efforts to kill communist leaders using exploding condoms and poisoned dental dams. The 1990s gave us Jack Nicholson, a relic of decades past who committed Adbusters-like crimes such as making an art gallery very scary and twisted. In our dark and gritty aftermath of 9/11 and the national humiliation in Iraq, we had dark and gritty Heath Ledger, arguably the most iconic iteration of the character.
When we snapped out of our angst, we had Jared Leto play the funniest Joker of all time, an initially unintentionally funny byproduct of a moron actor who thought himself far smarter than he actually was, in turn talked about endlessly by members of the media who thought themselves far smarter than they actually were (hey, that’s me!). The months we spent making fun of Leto’s Joker actually look very quaint now. They’re sort of a time capsule, a last look at what semi-irony literate media obsessives spoke and behaved like before Donald Trump was elected, possibly the very last instance of everyone having sustained fun together.
In the three years since, the same throngs still consume every bit of media tossed their way, but with a new seriousness. People who read and react to every post, article, show, and movie have had their brains battered by the Trump era. The human mind probably could not process the sheer volume of things we were supposed to react to before this all became too real for us back in November 2016, and it assuredly cannot now.
Every single day, a few odd hundred thousand people stare into poisonous blue light rays and feel debilitating rage at some things that understandably prompt it and some things that do not. In any event, they will respond with a generic style of online sarcasm that’s been culled from the greatest perma-banned posters of the last decade and sanitized into nothingness. You spew out their words while you react to every macro and micro Trump scandal, watching him mostly weather each cycle not so much unscathed, but ready for a new one that will make you forget about the last one. Everyone is always having a normal one in the normal world, as we clench our teeth so hard we begin to bleed.
People aren’t complete idiots, and know that consuming and reacting to every bit of political media input in and of itself won’t change anything. But I think for some, they’re in a paralyzed state. It’s like a hangover, where any light or movement causes unfathomable pain and you’ve just got to lie in a dehydrated heap until those vapors leave your brain. You know the boring, inconclusive future, and so you have no use in imagining a better life. You just sit around reacting until the next thing.
If you’ve got into the habit of taking and spitting out everything, it’s easy to apply the same rubric to culture. That is how you get the reaction you got to Todd Phillips’s 2019 Joker. In goes a shockingly average movie that I’d probably rate under Four Brothers, out goes more fear-mongering and vociferous defense than for any movie from the past couple of years.
I made sure to see this movie in a well-trafficked theater because I wanted to see if I could spot any undercover cops. However, I made the stupid choice of going to Williamsburg, where everyone looks like a cop on an NBC show. The theater could have been all unusually telegenic cops and then just me, and I never would have figured it out. For what it’s worth, the place was packed to the brim. I’m sure Williamsburg has its fair share of media over-consumers, but judging by the smattering of applause the film received at the end, I don’t think they were well represented at my particular screening.
The movie itself is very straightforward. Arthur Fleck (Joaquin Phoenix in a typically incredible performance) is a man with severe neurological trauma, with one of the symptoms being that he laughs at inappropriate times. Fleck lives with his elderly mother Penny (Frances Conroy) and takes care of her, both revelling in Murray Franklin’s (Robert De Niro) late night comedy show. He works as a clown, performing tasks such as sign spinning and hospital visits. He seems to enjoy his work, although he is frequently abused and demeaned by the public and seen as a weirdo by his coworkers.
One night Fleck is on the subway, reflecting on his long day of being in society, and he sees a group of Wall Street pricks aggressively hit on, then harass a woman in his train car. One thing leads to another, and our protagonist shoots them dead to the last man in one of the film’s best scenes. From there, Fleck decides to show society who’s living in who. He performs standup, but his laughing disorder interrupts his prewritten jokes about what it’s like being on Tinder. He has a dalliance with pretty and charming single mother Sophie Dumond (Zazie Beetz). He is led to believe he is actually the love child of his mother and fascist industrialist Thomas Wayne (Brett Cullen). He is suspected, then pursued for the murder of the three men on the subway who he robbed of a future of investing in Theranos. His murders start a social movement in Gotham’s underclass, who begin identifying with clowns.
Fleck is eventually called up to Murray’s show after his nervous laughter-riddled set goes the 1970s version of viral, which was when your uncle mailed you a VHS tape and you made copies and mailed it to your friends and it became a national story approximately two years later. Before making it there, Fleck gets absolutely duffed by the pencil-pusher schlub Thomas Wayne when he tries to confront him. He then kills his hospitalized mother after realizing both that he is adopted and that she enabled horrific abuse on him as a child. Then he realizes he hallucinated his courtship with Sophie.
Fleck goes on Murray’s show, and after uncomfortably forcing a kiss with a Dr. Ruth stand-in (Sondra James), goes all the way in on society. Before this scene, I would actually fantasize about being society, because people would never notice my hypocrisy. Trust me, I do not have that wish anymore. Fleck freaks out and shoots Murray in the head, and then after being arrested, is freed by a rioting group of clown protestors, one of whom shoots Thomas and Martha Wayne (Carrie Louise Putrello), giving us decades of gravely self-important movies about a guy who makes a scary voice to freak out the mafia.
This was one of the most middling films I have ever seen. It may have been fully bad, but I just graded it higher due to how great Phoenix is. It actually made a ton of sense; if someone had just laid it out bare, that the director of The Hangover series was going to make his version of King of Comedy but with The Joker, I would not have been so excited to see it. Todd Phillips’s comedic repertoire is a bunch of guys seeing a fat man in a speedo and exclaiming, “Okay, that’s just wrong!” Given a million tries, he could never make something as hilarious but uncomfortable as King of Comedy.
The movie had very little to do with the incel panic people built up around it. The Joker’s main antagonist is the wealthy, and for good reason. He has fantasies about women, but he doesn’t seem terribly interested in laying clown pipe. At no point does he consider getting cosmetic cranial surgery. But everyone pinning this particular set of fears on this movie was incredibly predictable, as “incel” is one of those words journalists learned a year ago and have tricked themselves into believing they’ve known it their whole lives and can deploy it fluently. People saw this and decided that a movie about an abandoned, sad, abused man was about their new favorite word, alternating between repetitive mockery and belief that they would be martyred for reviewing it. It could be one of the darkly funnier outcomes, that this unremarkable movie about a sad, fucked-up guy becomes a rallying point for incels solely because journalists decided that’s what it was about, but I suspect that like everything in our culture, this will be swept up before we notice it.
Joker had the opportunity to be a really good, interesting movie. I firmly believe the biggest unnoticed problem in our culture right now is loneliness, and this could have been a seminal look at our isolated time. It also could have been way funnier, or at least not taken itself so seriously at every moment. It could not have beaten the viewer over the head with the idea that Arthur Fleck is a strange guy and blasted us with genre typical booming orchestrals to remind us what we’re supposed to feel. Unfortunately, we got a version of AJ Soprano talking about Nietzsche, even if Joaquin Phoenix was doing it.
I firmly believe that we are, as a culture, attempting to relive 2004-2006 by playing World of Warcraft, listening to Tool, and watching self-serious Batman universe movies. But if this film had come out in that time and you removed The Joker from the equation, it would be forgotten a day after its release. Maybe years later, people would resuscitate parts of it to use in YouTube meme videos so the president would retweet it. Its main cultural cache would most likely be the DVD that your dirtiest friend always leaves on in his sweltering room.
But all of this comes together to make Joaquin Phoenix’s Arthur Fleck the perfect Joker for our era; something that produces a whirlwind or reaction and counter-reaction, to the point that people are absolutely positive every theater will produce one mass shooting or that Joker will replace all western canon, and after all that, we get a positively unremarkable expedition that will be forgotten by Thanksgiving, a product of a media economy where three companies who make everything keep it as efficient as possible by just making a few types of media properties and hoping people will tear each other apart in the cramped space to increase every product’s Q rating. It is an endless debate over a social phenomenon it’s not actually about, a boring culture war that will have no resolution, and a million jokes people on either side of it don’t actually have fun telling. It’s a bunch of clenched, gritting smiles that made Warner Brothers millions of dollars, and then you go home, more likely to die from boring yet equally evil indignities than getting killed at a culturally relevant event.
For a bonus, it’s in the superhero genre, one of three genres of film we are allowed now outside Noah Baumbach excursions about architects learning to accept their freewheeling stepbrothers and comedies that are made with an algorithm so every scene will be usable in GIF form. And you’ll probably be experiencing moral panics/emotional defenses of every single one of them for the rest of your life.
Todd Phillips may have performed the greatest Joker’s trick of all time, however. He may have made a movie that is more “5.5 out of 10” than any movie before it, and tricked us all into either arguing about how it would cause an army of incels to murder everyone, or get us so annoyed at the constant state of fear we’re supposed to live in that we start arguing with those voices, creating an endless feedback loop of people that are now working 40 hours a week on a volunteer basis to raise Joker awareness. If Phillips is aware of both his limitations as an artist and the current, sick condition of the highest volume consumers of media, he is more twisted than Mr J. himself. But to that end, he should just make another Hangover movie. Our culture that wishes it were the mid 2000s is far more ripe for that.
Until they make another fucking one of these, see you out there in society!
Continue reading
https://deadspin.com/youre-not-going-to-remember-any-of-this-shit-joker-re-1838770612
Post by Morrissey Breen
Sympathy For The Joker | Chapo Trap House | Episode 356 FULL
http://youtu.be/RjUmW4vsUoU
Pod Darn America (Chapo Trap House ep. 225 CLIP)
http://youtu.be/yuRsvqMqbUU
Post by Morrissey Breen
2 Cities, 1 Cup | Chapo Trap House | Episode 306 FULL
http://youtu.be/-xIFQaYq-n8
We review Ben Shapiro's book "The Right Side of History."
6:00 Amber: "He's a dumber Steve Bannon."
The Story of Aaron Swartz...
http://youtu.be/9vz06QO3UkQ
Twisted Tales - Chapo Trap House ep. 346 FULL
http://youtu.be/o21CdUtqerY
Rahm Emmanuelle: The Joys of a Neolib feat. Ryan Grim (Chapo Trap House ep. 318 FULL)
http://youtu.be/Z_EjJhrVqo0
The Story of Coach O -- Chapo Trap House ep. 378 FULL
http://youtu.be/RRDYKZKql_U
Borderline - Chapo Trap House ep. 212 FULL
http://youtu.be/bjnKIeGTLZc
Morrissey Breen
2022-02-06 00:02:24 UTC
Permalink
Chapo Trap House - Cry Macho Movie Review


More Pods About Streaming and Books feat. Steven Donziger - Chapo Trap House Episode 598 FULL


Chapo Reading Series Classic - Chapo Reads a Trad Cath Manifesto

Post by Morrissey Breen
Raandy Rigs The Election | Chapo Trap House
http://youtu.be/3Uvko_k4qTg
Chapo Reading Series -- Michael Wolff's newest book...
http://youtu.be/24PS57NGKH0
Awful Range 15 movie reviewed by Chapo Trap House...
http://youtu.be/bK5jWVSqL3Q
Post by Morrissey Breen
The Liberal Driller | Chapo Trap House (Episode 593 clip 1/13/22)
http://youtu.be/L2eq-rpAUIw
Chapo Reading Series - Thomas Friedman Wants a Biden-Cheney Ticket in 2024
http://youtu.be/gdgr8NUmVdc
Thomas Friedman is to political science what Deepak Chopra is to actual science. /// Hillary/Cheney vs Trump/pillow guy is the final season that america deserves.
Post by Morrissey Breen
You're Not Going To Remember Any Of This Shit: Joker, Reviewed
ByFelix Biederman
10/04/19 9:48AM
I
“The feeling that the future does not exist, that it is only more of the same, means all utopias are meaningless. Literature has always been relegated to utopia, so when utopia loses meaning, so does literature.”
-Karl Ove Knausgaard, Min Kamp 1
“I’ve tried to find meaning in my life, and I just can’t.”
-Brian Griffin (The Dog), Seth McFarlane’s Family Guy (Volume 10).
Certain periods of American history can now be viewed solely through the lens of the Joker we had at the time. The 1960s had Cesar Romero, whose slapstick hijinks mirrored the CIA’s comical efforts to kill communist leaders using exploding condoms and poisoned dental dams. The 1990s gave us Jack Nicholson, a relic of decades past who committed Adbusters-like crimes such as making an art gallery very scary and twisted. In our dark and gritty aftermath of 9/11 and the national humiliation in Iraq, we had dark and gritty Heath Ledger, arguably the most iconic iteration of the character.
When we snapped out of our angst, we had Jared Leto play the funniest Joker of all time, an initially unintentionally funny byproduct of a moron actor who thought himself far smarter than he actually was, in turn talked about endlessly by members of the media who thought themselves far smarter than they actually were (hey, that’s me!). The months we spent making fun of Leto’s Joker actually look very quaint now. They’re sort of a time capsule, a last look at what semi-irony literate media obsessives spoke and behaved like before Donald Trump was elected, possibly the very last instance of everyone having sustained fun together.
In the three years since, the same throngs still consume every bit of media tossed their way, but with a new seriousness. People who read and react to every post, article, show, and movie have had their brains battered by the Trump era. The human mind probably could not process the sheer volume of things we were supposed to react to before this all became too real for us back in November 2016, and it assuredly cannot now.
Every single day, a few odd hundred thousand people stare into poisonous blue light rays and feel debilitating rage at some things that understandably prompt it and some things that do not. In any event, they will respond with a generic style of online sarcasm that’s been culled from the greatest perma-banned posters of the last decade and sanitized into nothingness. You spew out their words while you react to every macro and micro Trump scandal, watching him mostly weather each cycle not so much unscathed, but ready for a new one that will make you forget about the last one. Everyone is always having a normal one in the normal world, as we clench our teeth so hard we begin to bleed.
People aren’t complete idiots, and know that consuming and reacting to every bit of political media input in and of itself won’t change anything. But I think for some, they’re in a paralyzed state. It’s like a hangover, where any light or movement causes unfathomable pain and you’ve just got to lie in a dehydrated heap until those vapors leave your brain. You know the boring, inconclusive future, and so you have no use in imagining a better life. You just sit around reacting until the next thing.
If you’ve got into the habit of taking and spitting out everything, it’s easy to apply the same rubric to culture. That is how you get the reaction you got to Todd Phillips’s 2019 Joker. In goes a shockingly average movie that I’d probably rate under Four Brothers, out goes more fear-mongering and vociferous defense than for any movie from the past couple of years.
I made sure to see this movie in a well-trafficked theater because I wanted to see if I could spot any undercover cops. However, I made the stupid choice of going to Williamsburg, where everyone looks like a cop on an NBC show. The theater could have been all unusually telegenic cops and then just me, and I never would have figured it out. For what it’s worth, the place was packed to the brim. I’m sure Williamsburg has its fair share of media over-consumers, but judging by the smattering of applause the film received at the end, I don’t think they were well represented at my particular screening.
The movie itself is very straightforward. Arthur Fleck (Joaquin Phoenix in a typically incredible performance) is a man with severe neurological trauma, with one of the symptoms being that he laughs at inappropriate times. Fleck lives with his elderly mother Penny (Frances Conroy) and takes care of her, both revelling in Murray Franklin’s (Robert De Niro) late night comedy show. He works as a clown, performing tasks such as sign spinning and hospital visits. He seems to enjoy his work, although he is frequently abused and demeaned by the public and seen as a weirdo by his coworkers.
One night Fleck is on the subway, reflecting on his long day of being in society, and he sees a group of Wall Street pricks aggressively hit on, then harass a woman in his train car. One thing leads to another, and our protagonist shoots them dead to the last man in one of the film’s best scenes. From there, Fleck decides to show society who’s living in who. He performs standup, but his laughing disorder interrupts his prewritten jokes about what it’s like being on Tinder. He has a dalliance with pretty and charming single mother Sophie Dumond (Zazie Beetz). He is led to believe he is actually the love child of his mother and fascist industrialist Thomas Wayne (Brett Cullen). He is suspected, then pursued for the murder of the three men on the subway who he robbed of a future of investing in Theranos. His murders start a social movement in Gotham’s underclass, who begin identifying with clowns.
Fleck is eventually called up to Murray’s show after his nervous laughter-riddled set goes the 1970s version of viral, which was when your uncle mailed you a VHS tape and you made copies and mailed it to your friends and it became a national story approximately two years later. Before making it there, Fleck gets absolutely duffed by the pencil-pusher schlub Thomas Wayne when he tries to confront him. He then kills his hospitalized mother after realizing both that he is adopted and that she enabled horrific abuse on him as a child. Then he realizes he hallucinated his courtship with Sophie.
Fleck goes on Murray’s show, and after uncomfortably forcing a kiss with a Dr. Ruth stand-in (Sondra James), goes all the way in on society. Before this scene, I would actually fantasize about being society, because people would never notice my hypocrisy. Trust me, I do not have that wish anymore. Fleck freaks out and shoots Murray in the head, and then after being arrested, is freed by a rioting group of clown protestors, one of whom shoots Thomas and Martha Wayne (Carrie Louise Putrello), giving us decades of gravely self-important movies about a guy who makes a scary voice to freak out the mafia.
This was one of the most middling films I have ever seen. It may have been fully bad, but I just graded it higher due to how great Phoenix is. It actually made a ton of sense; if someone had just laid it out bare, that the director of The Hangover series was going to make his version of King of Comedy but with The Joker, I would not have been so excited to see it. Todd Phillips’s comedic repertoire is a bunch of guys seeing a fat man in a speedo and exclaiming, “Okay, that’s just wrong!” Given a million tries, he could never make something as hilarious but uncomfortable as King of Comedy.
The movie had very little to do with the incel panic people built up around it. The Joker’s main antagonist is the wealthy, and for good reason. He has fantasies about women, but he doesn’t seem terribly interested in laying clown pipe. At no point does he consider getting cosmetic cranial surgery. But everyone pinning this particular set of fears on this movie was incredibly predictable, as “incel” is one of those words journalists learned a year ago and have tricked themselves into believing they’ve known it their whole lives and can deploy it fluently. People saw this and decided that a movie about an abandoned, sad, abused man was about their new favorite word, alternating between repetitive mockery and belief that they would be martyred for reviewing it. It could be one of the darkly funnier outcomes, that this unremarkable movie about a sad, fucked-up guy becomes a rallying point for incels solely because journalists decided that’s what it was about, but I suspect that like everything in our culture, this will be swept up before we notice it.
Joker had the opportunity to be a really good, interesting movie. I firmly believe the biggest unnoticed problem in our culture right now is loneliness, and this could have been a seminal look at our isolated time. It also could have been way funnier, or at least not taken itself so seriously at every moment. It could not have beaten the viewer over the head with the idea that Arthur Fleck is a strange guy and blasted us with genre typical booming orchestrals to remind us what we’re supposed to feel. Unfortunately, we got a version of AJ Soprano talking about Nietzsche, even if Joaquin Phoenix was doing it.
I firmly believe that we are, as a culture, attempting to relive 2004-2006 by playing World of Warcraft, listening to Tool, and watching self-serious Batman universe movies. But if this film had come out in that time and you removed The Joker from the equation, it would be forgotten a day after its release. Maybe years later, people would resuscitate parts of it to use in YouTube meme videos so the president would retweet it. Its main cultural cache would most likely be the DVD that your dirtiest friend always leaves on in his sweltering room.
But all of this comes together to make Joaquin Phoenix’s Arthur Fleck the perfect Joker for our era; something that produces a whirlwind or reaction and counter-reaction, to the point that people are absolutely positive every theater will produce one mass shooting or that Joker will replace all western canon, and after all that, we get a positively unremarkable expedition that will be forgotten by Thanksgiving, a product of a media economy where three companies who make everything keep it as efficient as possible by just making a few types of media properties and hoping people will tear each other apart in the cramped space to increase every product’s Q rating. It is an endless debate over a social phenomenon it’s not actually about, a boring culture war that will have no resolution, and a million jokes people on either side of it don’t actually have fun telling. It’s a bunch of clenched, gritting smiles that made Warner Brothers millions of dollars, and then you go home, more likely to die from boring yet equally evil indignities than getting killed at a culturally relevant event.
For a bonus, it’s in the superhero genre, one of three genres of film we are allowed now outside Noah Baumbach excursions about architects learning to accept their freewheeling stepbrothers and comedies that are made with an algorithm so every scene will be usable in GIF form. And you’ll probably be experiencing moral panics/emotional defenses of every single one of them for the rest of your life.
Todd Phillips may have performed the greatest Joker’s trick of all time, however. He may have made a movie that is more “5.5 out of 10” than any movie before it, and tricked us all into either arguing about how it would cause an army of incels to murder everyone, or get us so annoyed at the constant state of fear we’re supposed to live in that we start arguing with those voices, creating an endless feedback loop of people that are now working 40 hours a week on a volunteer basis to raise Joker awareness. If Phillips is aware of both his limitations as an artist and the current, sick condition of the highest volume consumers of media, he is more twisted than Mr J. himself. But to that end, he should just make another Hangover movie. Our culture that wishes it were the mid 2000s is far more ripe for that.
Until they make another fucking one of these, see you out there in society!
Continue reading
https://deadspin.com/youre-not-going-to-remember-any-of-this-shit-joker-re-1838770612
Post by Morrissey Breen
Sympathy For The Joker | Chapo Trap House | Episode 356 FULL
http://youtu.be/RjUmW4vsUoU
Pod Darn America (Chapo Trap House ep. 225 CLIP)
http://youtu.be/yuRsvqMqbUU
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2 Cities, 1 Cup | Chapo Trap House | Episode 306 FULL
http://youtu.be/-xIFQaYq-n8
We review Ben Shapiro's book "The Right Side of History."
6:00 Amber: "He's a dumber Steve Bannon."
The Story of Aaron Swartz...
http://youtu.be/9vz06QO3UkQ
Twisted Tales - Chapo Trap House ep. 346 FULL
http://youtu.be/o21CdUtqerY
Rahm Emmanuelle: The Joys of a Neolib feat. Ryan Grim (Chapo Trap House ep. 318 FULL)
http://youtu.be/Z_EjJhrVqo0
The Story of Coach O -- Chapo Trap House ep. 378 FULL
http://youtu.be/RRDYKZKql_U
Borderline - Chapo Trap House ep. 212 FULL
http://youtu.be/bjnKIeGTLZc
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Melanie Sheldon
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Israel is guilty of genocide in Palestine and Yemen.
Could you talk about them?

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John Penisini
John Penisini
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We all know that already. Chapo is mostly a comedy podcast.

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Cubby
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cool it with the antisemitism

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John Penisini
John Penisini
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@Cubby anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. I'm Jewish and I support BDS and ending all theocracies.

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Wind Chimes
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@John Penisini I think it was an American Psycho reference

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Sam Weinstein
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they talk about israel constantly lol

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@FreakyZed bro I think they were joking

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berdy derg
berdy derg
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Everyone on this channel is well aware, go yell into the abyss that is libs defending it

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Aaron Peony
Aaron Peony
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@Cubby haha nice troll

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Naymit Mayne
Naymit Mayne
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@Cubby don’t play that game Israeli Zionism is not equated to Jewish it’s politics and many Jews are against Israel


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Naymit Mayne
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@John Penisini welcome Jewish brother from a Palestinian. We should all live together


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15 of the 19 hijackers.... just sayin

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Rxuhr Abxygima
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918daw
bufferingvum.ngobuffering

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Wind Chimes
Wind Chimes
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15:17 great soundboard

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Chronic the Weedhog
Chronic the Weedhog
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In an attempt to win over American minority communities, he will take a knee at all future bonesaw dismemberments of journalists

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Hi I'm Mohammed bin Salman, welcome to Jackass!

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Toe Rohan
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People like MBS should be like Voldemort to these people who usually drone on about the divine mission of US imperialism because the you know the whole chopping journalists heads off thing.

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Chapo Trap House - Cry Macho Movie Review
http://youtu.be/vQMUZxqCb2E
More Pods About Streaming and Books feat. Steven Donziger - Chapo Trap House Episode 598 FULL
http://youtu.be/7smMkWa4dcg
Chapo Reading Series Classic - Chapo Reads a Trad Cath Manifesto
http://youtu.be/jQfAZvQ--R8
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Raandy Rigs The Election | Chapo Trap House
http://youtu.be/3Uvko_k4qTg
Chapo Reading Series -- Michael Wolff's newest book...
http://youtu.be/24PS57NGKH0
Awful Range 15 movie reviewed by Chapo Trap House...
http://youtu.be/bK5jWVSqL3Q
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The Liberal Driller | Chapo Trap House (Episode 593 clip 1/13/22)
http://youtu.be/L2eq-rpAUIw
Chapo Reading Series - Thomas Friedman Wants a Biden-Cheney Ticket in 2024
http://youtu.be/gdgr8NUmVdc
Thomas Friedman is to political science what Deepak Chopra is to actual science. /// Hillary/Cheney vs Trump/pillow guy is the final season that america deserves.
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You're Not Going To Remember Any Of This Shit: Joker, Reviewed
ByFelix Biederman
10/04/19 9:48AM
I
“The feeling that the future does not exist, that it is only more of the same, means all utopias are meaningless. Literature has always been relegated to utopia, so when utopia loses meaning, so does literature.”
-Karl Ove Knausgaard, Min Kamp 1
“I’ve tried to find meaning in my life, and I just can’t.”
-Brian Griffin (The Dog), Seth McFarlane’s Family Guy (Volume 10).
Certain periods of American history can now be viewed solely through the lens of the Joker we had at the time. The 1960s had Cesar Romero, whose slapstick hijinks mirrored the CIA’s comical efforts to kill communist leaders using exploding condoms and poisoned dental dams. The 1990s gave us Jack Nicholson, a relic of decades past who committed Adbusters-like crimes such as making an art gallery very scary and twisted. In our dark and gritty aftermath of 9/11 and the national humiliation in Iraq, we had dark and gritty Heath Ledger, arguably the most iconic iteration of the character.
When we snapped out of our angst, we had Jared Leto play the funniest Joker of all time, an initially unintentionally funny byproduct of a moron actor who thought himself far smarter than he actually was, in turn talked about endlessly by members of the media who thought themselves far smarter than they actually were (hey, that’s me!). The months we spent making fun of Leto’s Joker actually look very quaint now. They’re sort of a time capsule, a last look at what semi-irony literate media obsessives spoke and behaved like before Donald Trump was elected, possibly the very last instance of everyone having sustained fun together.
In the three years since, the same throngs still consume every bit of media tossed their way, but with a new seriousness. People who read and react to every post, article, show, and movie have had their brains battered by the Trump era. The human mind probably could not process the sheer volume of things we were supposed to react to before this all became too real for us back in November 2016, and it assuredly cannot now.
Every single day, a few odd hundred thousand people stare into poisonous blue light rays and feel debilitating rage at some things that understandably prompt it and some things that do not. In any event, they will respond with a generic style of online sarcasm that’s been culled from the greatest perma-banned posters of the last decade and sanitized into nothingness. You spew out their words while you react to every macro and micro Trump scandal, watching him mostly weather each cycle not so much unscathed, but ready for a new one that will make you forget about the last one. Everyone is always having a normal one in the normal world, as we clench our teeth so hard we begin to bleed.
People aren’t complete idiots, and know that consuming and reacting to every bit of political media input in and of itself won’t change anything. But I think for some, they’re in a paralyzed state. It’s like a hangover, where any light or movement causes unfathomable pain and you’ve just got to lie in a dehydrated heap until those vapors leave your brain. You know the boring, inconclusive future, and so you have no use in imagining a better life. You just sit around reacting until the next thing.
If you’ve got into the habit of taking and spitting out everything, it’s easy to apply the same rubric to culture. That is how you get the reaction you got to Todd Phillips’s 2019 Joker. In goes a shockingly average movie that I’d probably rate under Four Brothers, out goes more fear-mongering and vociferous defense than for any movie from the past couple of years.
I made sure to see this movie in a well-trafficked theater because I wanted to see if I could spot any undercover cops. However, I made the stupid choice of going to Williamsburg, where everyone looks like a cop on an NBC show. The theater could have been all unusually telegenic cops and then just me, and I never would have figured it out. For what it’s worth, the place was packed to the brim. I’m sure Williamsburg has its fair share of media over-consumers, but judging by the smattering of applause the film received at the end, I don’t think they were well represented at my particular screening.
The movie itself is very straightforward. Arthur Fleck (Joaquin Phoenix in a typically incredible performance) is a man with severe neurological trauma, with one of the symptoms being that he laughs at inappropriate times. Fleck lives with his elderly mother Penny (Frances Conroy) and takes care of her, both revelling in Murray Franklin’s (Robert De Niro) late night comedy show. He works as a clown, performing tasks such as sign spinning and hospital visits. He seems to enjoy his work, although he is frequently abused and demeaned by the public and seen as a weirdo by his coworkers.
One night Fleck is on the subway, reflecting on his long day of being in society, and he sees a group of Wall Street pricks aggressively hit on, then harass a woman in his train car. One thing leads to another, and our protagonist shoots them dead to the last man in one of the film’s best scenes. From there, Fleck decides to show society who’s living in who. He performs standup, but his laughing disorder interrupts his prewritten jokes about what it’s like being on Tinder. He has a dalliance with pretty and charming single mother Sophie Dumond (Zazie Beetz). He is led to believe he is actually the love child of his mother and fascist industrialist Thomas Wayne (Brett Cullen). He is suspected, then pursued for the murder of the three men on the subway who he robbed of a future of investing in Theranos. His murders start a social movement in Gotham’s underclass, who begin identifying with clowns.
Fleck is eventually called up to Murray’s show after his nervous laughter-riddled set goes the 1970s version of viral, which was when your uncle mailed you a VHS tape and you made copies and mailed it to your friends and it became a national story approximately two years later. Before making it there, Fleck gets absolutely duffed by the pencil-pusher schlub Thomas Wayne when he tries to confront him. He then kills his hospitalized mother after realizing both that he is adopted and that she enabled horrific abuse on him as a child. Then he realizes he hallucinated his courtship with Sophie.
Fleck goes on Murray’s show, and after uncomfortably forcing a kiss with a Dr. Ruth stand-in (Sondra James), goes all the way in on society. Before this scene, I would actually fantasize about being society, because people would never notice my hypocrisy. Trust me, I do not have that wish anymore. Fleck freaks out and shoots Murray in the head, and then after being arrested, is freed by a rioting group of clown protestors, one of whom shoots Thomas and Martha Wayne (Carrie Louise Putrello), giving us decades of gravely self-important movies about a guy who makes a scary voice to freak out the mafia.
This was one of the most middling films I have ever seen. It may have been fully bad, but I just graded it higher due to how great Phoenix is. It actually made a ton of sense; if someone had just laid it out bare, that the director of The Hangover series was going to make his version of King of Comedy but with The Joker, I would not have been so excited to see it. Todd Phillips’s comedic repertoire is a bunch of guys seeing a fat man in a speedo and exclaiming, “Okay, that’s just wrong!” Given a million tries, he could never make something as hilarious but uncomfortable as King of Comedy.
The movie had very little to do with the incel panic people built up around it. The Joker’s main antagonist is the wealthy, and for good reason. He has fantasies about women, but he doesn’t seem terribly interested in laying clown pipe. At no point does he consider getting cosmetic cranial surgery. But everyone pinning this particular set of fears on this movie was incredibly predictable, as “incel” is one of those words journalists learned a year ago and have tricked themselves into believing they’ve known it their whole lives and can deploy it fluently. People saw this and decided that a movie about an abandoned, sad, abused man was about their new favorite word, alternating between repetitive mockery and belief that they would be martyred for reviewing it. It could be one of the darkly funnier outcomes, that this unremarkable movie about a sad, fucked-up guy becomes a rallying point for incels solely because journalists decided that’s what it was about, but I suspect that like everything in our culture, this will be swept up before we notice it.
Joker had the opportunity to be a really good, interesting movie. I firmly believe the biggest unnoticed problem in our culture right now is loneliness, and this could have been a seminal look at our isolated time. It also could have been way funnier, or at least not taken itself so seriously at every moment. It could not have beaten the viewer over the head with the idea that Arthur Fleck is a strange guy and blasted us with genre typical booming orchestrals to remind us what we’re supposed to feel. Unfortunately, we got a version of AJ Soprano talking about Nietzsche, even if Joaquin Phoenix was doing it.
I firmly believe that we are, as a culture, attempting to relive 2004-2006 by playing World of Warcraft, listening to Tool, and watching self-serious Batman universe movies. But if this film had come out in that time and you removed The Joker from the equation, it would be forgotten a day after its release. Maybe years later, people would resuscitate parts of it to use in YouTube meme videos so the president would retweet it. Its main cultural cache would most likely be the DVD that your dirtiest friend always leaves on in his sweltering room.
But all of this comes together to make Joaquin Phoenix’s Arthur Fleck the perfect Joker for our era; something that produces a whirlwind or reaction and counter-reaction, to the point that people are absolutely positive every theater will produce one mass shooting or that Joker will replace all western canon, and after all that, we get a positively unremarkable expedition that will be forgotten by Thanksgiving, a product of a media economy where three companies who make everything keep it as efficient as possible by just making a few types of media properties and hoping people will tear each other apart in the cramped space to increase every product’s Q rating. It is an endless debate over a social phenomenon it’s not actually about, a boring culture war that will have no resolution, and a million jokes people on either side of it don’t actually have fun telling. It’s a bunch of clenched, gritting smiles that made Warner Brothers millions of dollars, and then you go home, more likely to die from boring yet equally evil indignities than getting killed at a culturally relevant event.
For a bonus, it’s in the superhero genre, one of three genres of film we are allowed now outside Noah Baumbach excursions about architects learning to accept their freewheeling stepbrothers and comedies that are made with an algorithm so every scene will be usable in GIF form. And you’ll probably be experiencing moral panics/emotional defenses of every single one of them for the rest of your life.
Todd Phillips may have performed the greatest Joker’s trick of all time, however. He may have made a movie that is more “5.5 out of 10” than any movie before it, and tricked us all into either arguing about how it would cause an army of incels to murder everyone, or get us so annoyed at the constant state of fear we’re supposed to live in that we start arguing with those voices, creating an endless feedback loop of people that are now working 40 hours a week on a volunteer basis to raise Joker awareness. If Phillips is aware of both his limitations as an artist and the current, sick condition of the highest volume consumers of media, he is more twisted than Mr J. himself. But to that end, he should just make another Hangover movie. Our culture that wishes it were the mid 2000s is far more ripe for that.
Until they make another fucking one of these, see you out there in society!
Continue reading
https://deadspin.com/youre-not-going-to-remember-any-of-this-shit-joker-re-1838770612
Post by Morrissey Breen
Sympathy For The Joker | Chapo Trap House | Episode 356 FULL
http://youtu.be/RjUmW4vsUoU
Pod Darn America (Chapo Trap House ep. 225 CLIP)
http://youtu.be/yuRsvqMqbUU
Post by Morrissey Breen
2 Cities, 1 Cup | Chapo Trap House | Episode 306 FULL
http://youtu.be/-xIFQaYq-n8
We review Ben Shapiro's book "The Right Side of History."
6:00 Amber: "He's a dumber Steve Bannon."
The Story of Aaron Swartz...
http://youtu.be/9vz06QO3UkQ
Twisted Tales - Chapo Trap House ep. 346 FULL
http://youtu.be/o21CdUtqerY
Rahm Emmanuelle: The Joys of a Neolib feat. Ryan Grim (Chapo Trap House ep. 318 FULL)
http://youtu.be/Z_EjJhrVqo0
The Story of Coach O -- Chapo Trap House ep. 378 FULL
http://youtu.be/RRDYKZKql_U
Borderline - Chapo Trap House ep. 212 FULL
http://youtu.be/bjnKIeGTLZc
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2022-02-22 03:19:50 UTC
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Jeffrey Goldberg Loves MBS | Chapo Trap House
http://youtu.be/Ik9FupT6h88
Melanie Sheldon
Melanie Sheldon
5 hours ago
Israel is guilty of genocide in Palestine and Yemen.
Could you talk about them?
4
REPLY
Hide 11 replies
John Penisini
John Penisini
4 hours ago
We all know that already. Chapo is mostly a comedy podcast.
1
REPLY
Cubby
Cubby
4 hours ago
cool it with the antisemitism
6
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John Penisini
John Penisini
4 hours ago
@Cubby anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. I'm Jewish and I support BDS and ending all theocracies.
10
REPLY
Wind Chimes
Wind Chimes
3 hours ago
@John Penisini I think it was an American Psycho reference
3
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Sam Weinstein
Sam Weinstein
3 hours ago
they talk about israel constantly lol
2
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_ Audacity
_ Audacity
3 hours ago
@FreakyZed bro I think they were joking
1
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berdy derg
berdy derg
3 hours ago
Everyone on this channel is well aware, go yell into the abyss that is libs defending it
1
REPLY
Aaron Peony
Aaron Peony
2 hours ago
@Cubby haha nice troll
1
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Naymit Mayne
Naymit Mayne
1 hour ago
@Cubby don’t play that game Israeli Zionism is not equated to Jewish it’s politics and many Jews are against Israel
REPLY
Naymit Mayne
Naymit Mayne
1 hour ago
@John Penisini welcome Jewish brother from a Palestinian. We should all live together
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Joe Be There
Joe Be There
5 hours ago
15 of the 19 hijackers.... just sayin
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Rxuhr Abxygima
Rxuhr Abxygima
5 hours ago
918daw
bufferingvum.ngobuffering
1
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Wind Chimes
Wind Chimes
5 hours ago
15:17 great soundboard
1
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Chronic the Weedhog
Chronic the Weedhog
6 hours ago
In an attempt to win over American minority communities, he will take a knee at all future bonesaw dismemberments of journalists
14
REPLY
FormerCrow
FormerCrow
6 hours ago (edited)
Hi I'm Mohammed bin Salman, welcome to Jackass!
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Toe Rohan
Toe Rohan
6 hours ago (edited)
People like MBS should be like Voldemort to these people who usually drone on about the divine mission of US imperialism because the you know the whole chopping journalists heads off thing.
3
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Chapo Trap House - Cry Macho Movie Review
http://youtu.be/vQMUZxqCb2E
More Pods About Streaming and Books feat. Steven Donziger - Chapo Trap House Episode 598 FULL
http://youtu.be/7smMkWa4dcg
Chapo Reading Series Classic - Chapo Reads a Trad Cath Manifesto
http://youtu.be/jQfAZvQ--R8
Post by Morrissey Breen
Raandy Rigs The Election | Chapo Trap House
http://youtu.be/3Uvko_k4qTg
Chapo Reading Series -- Michael Wolff's newest book...
http://youtu.be/24PS57NGKH0
Awful Range 15 movie reviewed by Chapo Trap House...
http://youtu.be/bK5jWVSqL3Q
Post by Morrissey Breen
The Liberal Driller | Chapo Trap House (Episode 593 clip 1/13/22)
http://youtu.be/L2eq-rpAUIw
Chapo Reading Series - Thomas Friedman Wants a Biden-Cheney Ticket in 2024
http://youtu.be/gdgr8NUmVdc
Thomas Friedman is to political science what Deepak Chopra is to actual science. /// Hillary/Cheney vs Trump/pillow guy is the final season that america deserves.
Post by Morrissey Breen
You're Not Going To Remember Any Of This Shit: Joker, Reviewed
ByFelix Biederman
10/04/19 9:48AM
I
“The feeling that the future does not exist, that it is only more of the same, means all utopias are meaningless. Literature has always been relegated to utopia, so when utopia loses meaning, so does literature.”
-Karl Ove Knausgaard, Min Kamp 1
“I’ve tried to find meaning in my life, and I just can’t.”
-Brian Griffin (The Dog), Seth McFarlane’s Family Guy (Volume 10).
Certain periods of American history can now be viewed solely through the lens of the Joker we had at the time. The 1960s had Cesar Romero, whose slapstick hijinks mirrored the CIA’s comical efforts to kill communist leaders using exploding condoms and poisoned dental dams. The 1990s gave us Jack Nicholson, a relic of decades past who committed Adbusters-like crimes such as making an art gallery very scary and twisted. In our dark and gritty aftermath of 9/11 and the national humiliation in Iraq, we had dark and gritty Heath Ledger, arguably the most iconic iteration of the character.
When we snapped out of our angst, we had Jared Leto play the funniest Joker of all time, an initially unintentionally funny byproduct of a moron actor who thought himself far smarter than he actually was, in turn talked about endlessly by members of the media who thought themselves far smarter than they actually were (hey, that’s me!). The months we spent making fun of Leto’s Joker actually look very quaint now. They’re sort of a time capsule, a last look at what semi-irony literate media obsessives spoke and behaved like before Donald Trump was elected, possibly the very last instance of everyone having sustained fun together.
In the three years since, the same throngs still consume every bit of media tossed their way, but with a new seriousness. People who read and react to every post, article, show, and movie have had their brains battered by the Trump era. The human mind probably could not process the sheer volume of things we were supposed to react to before this all became too real for us back in November 2016, and it assuredly cannot now.
Every single day, a few odd hundred thousand people stare into poisonous blue light rays and feel debilitating rage at some things that understandably prompt it and some things that do not. In any event, they will respond with a generic style of online sarcasm that’s been culled from the greatest perma-banned posters of the last decade and sanitized into nothingness. You spew out their words while you react to every macro and micro Trump scandal, watching him mostly weather each cycle not so much unscathed, but ready for a new one that will make you forget about the last one. Everyone is always having a normal one in the normal world, as we clench our teeth so hard we begin to bleed.
People aren’t complete idiots, and know that consuming and reacting to every bit of political media input in and of itself won’t change anything. But I think for some, they’re in a paralyzed state. It’s like a hangover, where any light or movement causes unfathomable pain and you’ve just got to lie in a dehydrated heap until those vapors leave your brain. You know the boring, inconclusive future, and so you have no use in imagining a better life. You just sit around reacting until the next thing.
If you’ve got into the habit of taking and spitting out everything, it’s easy to apply the same rubric to culture. That is how you get the reaction you got to Todd Phillips’s 2019 Joker. In goes a shockingly average movie that I’d probably rate under Four Brothers, out goes more fear-mongering and vociferous defense than for any movie from the past couple of years.
I made sure to see this movie in a well-trafficked theater because I wanted to see if I could spot any undercover cops. However, I made the stupid choice of going to Williamsburg, where everyone looks like a cop on an NBC show. The theater could have been all unusually telegenic cops and then just me, and I never would have figured it out. For what it’s worth, the place was packed to the brim. I’m sure Williamsburg has its fair share of media over-consumers, but judging by the smattering of applause the film received at the end, I don’t think they were well represented at my particular screening.
The movie itself is very straightforward. Arthur Fleck (Joaquin Phoenix in a typically incredible performance) is a man with severe neurological trauma, with one of the symptoms being that he laughs at inappropriate times. Fleck lives with his elderly mother Penny (Frances Conroy) and takes care of her, both revelling in Murray Franklin’s (Robert De Niro) late night comedy show. He works as a clown, performing tasks such as sign spinning and hospital visits. He seems to enjoy his work, although he is frequently abused and demeaned by the public and seen as a weirdo by his coworkers.
One night Fleck is on the subway, reflecting on his long day of being in society, and he sees a group of Wall Street pricks aggressively hit on, then harass a woman in his train car. One thing leads to another, and our protagonist shoots them dead to the last man in one of the film’s best scenes. From there, Fleck decides to show society who’s living in who. He performs standup, but his laughing disorder interrupts his prewritten jokes about what it’s like being on Tinder. He has a dalliance with pretty and charming single mother Sophie Dumond (Zazie Beetz). He is led to believe he is actually the love child of his mother and fascist industrialist Thomas Wayne (Brett Cullen). He is suspected, then pursued for the murder of the three men on the subway who he robbed of a future of investing in Theranos. His murders start a social movement in Gotham’s underclass, who begin identifying with clowns.
Fleck is eventually called up to Murray’s show after his nervous laughter-riddled set goes the 1970s version of viral, which was when your uncle mailed you a VHS tape and you made copies and mailed it to your friends and it became a national story approximately two years later. Before making it there, Fleck gets absolutely duffed by the pencil-pusher schlub Thomas Wayne when he tries to confront him. He then kills his hospitalized mother after realizing both that he is adopted and that she enabled horrific abuse on him as a child. Then he realizes he hallucinated his courtship with Sophie.
Fleck goes on Murray’s show, and after uncomfortably forcing a kiss with a Dr. Ruth stand-in (Sondra James), goes all the way in on society. Before this scene, I would actually fantasize about being society, because people would never notice my hypocrisy. Trust me, I do not have that wish anymore. Fleck freaks out and shoots Murray in the head, and then after being arrested, is freed by a rioting group of clown protestors, one of whom shoots Thomas and Martha Wayne (Carrie Louise Putrello), giving us decades of gravely self-important movies about a guy who makes a scary voice to freak out the mafia.
This was one of the most middling films I have ever seen. It may have been fully bad, but I just graded it higher due to how great Phoenix is. It actually made a ton of sense; if someone had just laid it out bare, that the director of The Hangover series was going to make his version of King of Comedy but with The Joker, I would not have been so excited to see it. Todd Phillips’s comedic repertoire is a bunch of guys seeing a fat man in a speedo and exclaiming, “Okay, that’s just wrong!” Given a million tries, he could never make something as hilarious but uncomfortable as King of Comedy.
The movie had very little to do with the incel panic people built up around it. The Joker’s main antagonist is the wealthy, and for good reason. He has fantasies about women, but he doesn’t seem terribly interested in laying clown pipe. At no point does he consider getting cosmetic cranial surgery. But everyone pinning this particular set of fears on this movie was incredibly predictable, as “incel” is one of those words journalists learned a year ago and have tricked themselves into believing they’ve known it their whole lives and can deploy it fluently. People saw this and decided that a movie about an abandoned, sad, abused man was about their new favorite word, alternating between repetitive mockery and belief that they would be martyred for reviewing it. It could be one of the darkly funnier outcomes, that this unremarkable movie about a sad, fucked-up guy becomes a rallying point for incels solely because journalists decided that’s what it was about, but I suspect that like everything in our culture, this will be swept up before we notice it.
Joker had the opportunity to be a really good, interesting movie. I firmly believe the biggest unnoticed problem in our culture right now is loneliness, and this could have been a seminal look at our isolated time. It also could have been way funnier, or at least not taken itself so seriously at every moment. It could not have beaten the viewer over the head with the idea that Arthur Fleck is a strange guy and blasted us with genre typical booming orchestrals to remind us what we’re supposed to feel. Unfortunately, we got a version of AJ Soprano talking about Nietzsche, even if Joaquin Phoenix was doing it.
I firmly believe that we are, as a culture, attempting to relive 2004-2006 by playing World of Warcraft, listening to Tool, and watching self-serious Batman universe movies. But if this film had come out in that time and you removed The Joker from the equation, it would be forgotten a day after its release. Maybe years later, people would resuscitate parts of it to use in YouTube meme videos so the president would retweet it. Its main cultural cache would most likely be the DVD that your dirtiest friend always leaves on in his sweltering room.
But all of this comes together to make Joaquin Phoenix’s Arthur Fleck the perfect Joker for our era; something that produces a whirlwind or reaction and counter-reaction, to the point that people are absolutely positive every theater will produce one mass shooting or that Joker will replace all western canon, and after all that, we get a positively unremarkable expedition that will be forgotten by Thanksgiving, a product of a media economy where three companies who make everything keep it as efficient as possible by just making a few types of media properties and hoping people will tear each other apart in the cramped space to increase every product’s Q rating. It is an endless debate over a social phenomenon it’s not actually about, a boring culture war that will have no resolution, and a million jokes people on either side of it don’t actually have fun telling. It’s a bunch of clenched, gritting smiles that made Warner Brothers millions of dollars, and then you go home, more likely to die from boring yet equally evil indignities than getting killed at a culturally relevant event.
For a bonus, it’s in the superhero genre, one of three genres of film we are allowed now outside Noah Baumbach excursions about architects learning to accept their freewheeling stepbrothers and comedies that are made with an algorithm so every scene will be usable in GIF form. And you’ll probably be experiencing moral panics/emotional defenses of every single one of them for the rest of your life.
Todd Phillips may have performed the greatest Joker’s trick of all time, however. He may have made a movie that is more “5.5 out of 10” than any movie before it, and tricked us all into either arguing about how it would cause an army of incels to murder everyone, or get us so annoyed at the constant state of fear we’re supposed to live in that we start arguing with those voices, creating an endless feedback loop of people that are now working 40 hours a week on a volunteer basis to raise Joker awareness. If Phillips is aware of both his limitations as an artist and the current, sick condition of the highest volume consumers of media, he is more twisted than Mr J. himself. But to that end, he should just make another Hangover movie. Our culture that wishes it were the mid 2000s is far more ripe for that.
Until they make another fucking one of these, see you out there in society!
Continue reading
https://deadspin.com/youre-not-going-to-remember-any-of-this-shit-joker-re-1838770612
Post by Morrissey Breen
Sympathy For The Joker | Chapo Trap House | Episode 356 FULL
http://youtu.be/RjUmW4vsUoU
Pod Darn America (Chapo Trap House ep. 225 CLIP)
http://youtu.be/yuRsvqMqbUU
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2 Cities, 1 Cup | Chapo Trap House | Episode 306 FULL
http://youtu.be/-xIFQaYq-n8
We review Ben Shapiro's book "The Right Side of History."
6:00 Amber: "He's a dumber Steve Bannon."
The Story of Aaron Swartz...
http://youtu.be/9vz06QO3UkQ
Twisted Tales - Chapo Trap House ep. 346 FULL
http://youtu.be/o21CdUtqerY
Rahm Emmanuelle: The Joys of a Neolib feat. Ryan Grim (Chapo Trap House ep. 318 FULL)
http://youtu.be/Z_EjJhrVqo0
The Story of Coach O -- Chapo Trap House ep. 378 FULL
http://youtu.be/RRDYKZKql_U
Borderline - Chapo Trap House ep. 212 FULL
http://youtu.be/bjnKIeGTLZc
John McCain's imperial funeral: Veteran Mike Prysner on the warmonger's betrayal

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Melanie Sheldon
Melanie Sheldon
5 hours ago
Israel is guilty of genocide in Palestine and Yemen.
Could you talk about them?
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John Penisini
John Penisini
4 hours ago
We all know that already. Chapo is mostly a comedy podcast.
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Cubby
Cubby
4 hours ago
cool it with the antisemitism
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John Penisini
John Penisini
4 hours ago
@Cubby anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. I'm Jewish and I support BDS and ending all theocracies.
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Wind Chimes
Wind Chimes
3 hours ago
@John Penisini I think it was an American Psycho reference
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Sam Weinstein
Sam Weinstein
3 hours ago
they talk about israel constantly lol
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_ Audacity
3 hours ago
@FreakyZed bro I think they were joking
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berdy derg
berdy derg
3 hours ago
Everyone on this channel is well aware, go yell into the abyss that is libs defending it
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Aaron Peony
Aaron Peony
2 hours ago
@Cubby haha nice troll
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Naymit Mayne
Naymit Mayne
1 hour ago
@Cubby don’t play that game Israeli Zionism is not equated to Jewish it’s politics and many Jews are against Israel
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Naymit Mayne
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@John Penisini welcome Jewish brother from a Palestinian. We should all live together
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Joe Be There
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15 of the 19 hijackers.... just sayin
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Wind Chimes
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15:17 great soundboard
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Chronic the Weedhog
Chronic the Weedhog
6 hours ago
In an attempt to win over American minority communities, he will take a knee at all future bonesaw dismemberments of journalists
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Hi I'm Mohammed bin Salman, welcome to Jackass!
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People like MBS should be like Voldemort to these people who usually drone on about the divine mission of US imperialism because the you know the whole chopping journalists heads off thing.
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Chapo Trap House - Cry Macho Movie Review
http://youtu.be/vQMUZxqCb2E
More Pods About Streaming and Books feat. Steven Donziger - Chapo Trap House Episode 598 FULL
http://youtu.be/7smMkWa4dcg
Chapo Reading Series Classic - Chapo Reads a Trad Cath Manifesto
http://youtu.be/jQfAZvQ--R8
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http://youtu.be/3Uvko_k4qTg
Chapo Reading Series -- Michael Wolff's newest book...
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http://youtu.be/bK5jWVSqL3Q
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The Liberal Driller | Chapo Trap House (Episode 593 clip 1/13/22)
http://youtu.be/L2eq-rpAUIw
Chapo Reading Series - Thomas Friedman Wants a Biden-Cheney Ticket in 2024
http://youtu.be/gdgr8NUmVdc
Thomas Friedman is to political science what Deepak Chopra is to actual science. /// Hillary/Cheney vs Trump/pillow guy is the final season that america deserves.
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You're Not Going To Remember Any Of This Shit: Joker, Reviewed
ByFelix Biederman
10/04/19 9:48AM
I
“The feeling that the future does not exist, that it is only more of the same, means all utopias are meaningless. Literature has always been relegated to utopia, so when utopia loses meaning, so does literature.”
-Karl Ove Knausgaard, Min Kamp 1
“I’ve tried to find meaning in my life, and I just can’t.”
-Brian Griffin (The Dog), Seth McFarlane’s Family Guy (Volume 10).
Certain periods of American history can now be viewed solely through the lens of the Joker we had at the time. The 1960s had Cesar Romero, whose slapstick hijinks mirrored the CIA’s comical efforts to kill communist leaders using exploding condoms and poisoned dental dams. The 1990s gave us Jack Nicholson, a relic of decades past who committed Adbusters-like crimes such as making an art gallery very scary and twisted. In our dark and gritty aftermath of 9/11 and the national humiliation in Iraq, we had dark and gritty Heath Ledger, arguably the most iconic iteration of the character.
When we snapped out of our angst, we had Jared Leto play the funniest Joker of all time, an initially unintentionally funny byproduct of a moron actor who thought himself far smarter than he actually was, in turn talked about endlessly by members of the media who thought themselves far smarter than they actually were (hey, that’s me!). The months we spent making fun of Leto’s Joker actually look very quaint now. They’re sort of a time capsule, a last look at what semi-irony literate media obsessives spoke and behaved like before Donald Trump was elected, possibly the very last instance of everyone having sustained fun together.
In the three years since, the same throngs still consume every bit of media tossed their way, but with a new seriousness. People who read and react to every post, article, show, and movie have had their brains battered by the Trump era. The human mind probably could not process the sheer volume of things we were supposed to react to before this all became too real for us back in November 2016, and it assuredly cannot now.
Every single day, a few odd hundred thousand people stare into poisonous blue light rays and feel debilitating rage at some things that understandably prompt it and some things that do not. In any event, they will respond with a generic style of online sarcasm that’s been culled from the greatest perma-banned posters of the last decade and sanitized into nothingness. You spew out their words while you react to every macro and micro Trump scandal, watching him mostly weather each cycle not so much unscathed, but ready for a new one that will make you forget about the last one. Everyone is always having a normal one in the normal world, as we clench our teeth so hard we begin to bleed.
People aren’t complete idiots, and know that consuming and reacting to every bit of political media input in and of itself won’t change anything. But I think for some, they’re in a paralyzed state. It’s like a hangover, where any light or movement causes unfathomable pain and you’ve just got to lie in a dehydrated heap until those vapors leave your brain. You know the boring, inconclusive future, and so you have no use in imagining a better life. You just sit around reacting until the next thing.
If you’ve got into the habit of taking and spitting out everything, it’s easy to apply the same rubric to culture. That is how you get the reaction you got to Todd Phillips’s 2019 Joker. In goes a shockingly average movie that I’d probably rate under Four Brothers, out goes more fear-mongering and vociferous defense than for any movie from the past couple of years.
I made sure to see this movie in a well-trafficked theater because I wanted to see if I could spot any undercover cops. However, I made the stupid choice of going to Williamsburg, where everyone looks like a cop on an NBC show. The theater could have been all unusually telegenic cops and then just me, and I never would have figured it out. For what it’s worth, the place was packed to the brim. I’m sure Williamsburg has its fair share of media over-consumers, but judging by the smattering of applause the film received at the end, I don’t think they were well represented at my particular screening.
The movie itself is very straightforward. Arthur Fleck (Joaquin Phoenix in a typically incredible performance) is a man with severe neurological trauma, with one of the symptoms being that he laughs at inappropriate times. Fleck lives with his elderly mother Penny (Frances Conroy) and takes care of her, both revelling in Murray Franklin’s (Robert De Niro) late night comedy show. He works as a clown, performing tasks such as sign spinning and hospital visits. He seems to enjoy his work, although he is frequently abused and demeaned by the public and seen as a weirdo by his coworkers.
One night Fleck is on the subway, reflecting on his long day of being in society, and he sees a group of Wall Street pricks aggressively hit on, then harass a woman in his train car. One thing leads to another, and our protagonist shoots them dead to the last man in one of the film’s best scenes. From there, Fleck decides to show society who’s living in who. He performs standup, but his laughing disorder interrupts his prewritten jokes about what it’s like being on Tinder. He has a dalliance with pretty and charming single mother Sophie Dumond (Zazie Beetz). He is led to believe he is actually the love child of his mother and fascist industrialist Thomas Wayne (Brett Cullen). He is suspected, then pursued for the murder of the three men on the subway who he robbed of a future of investing in Theranos. His murders start a social movement in Gotham’s underclass, who begin identifying with clowns.
Fleck is eventually called up to Murray’s show after his nervous laughter-riddled set goes the 1970s version of viral, which was when your uncle mailed you a VHS tape and you made copies and mailed it to your friends and it became a national story approximately two years later. Before making it there, Fleck gets absolutely duffed by the pencil-pusher schlub Thomas Wayne when he tries to confront him. He then kills his hospitalized mother after realizing both that he is adopted and that she enabled horrific abuse on him as a child. Then he realizes he hallucinated his courtship with Sophie.
Fleck goes on Murray’s show, and after uncomfortably forcing a kiss with a Dr. Ruth stand-in (Sondra James), goes all the way in on society. Before this scene, I would actually fantasize about being society, because people would never notice my hypocrisy. Trust me, I do not have that wish anymore. Fleck freaks out and shoots Murray in the head, and then after being arrested, is freed by a rioting group of clown protestors, one of whom shoots Thomas and Martha Wayne (Carrie Louise Putrello), giving us decades of gravely self-important movies about a guy who makes a scary voice to freak out the mafia.
This was one of the most middling films I have ever seen. It may have been fully bad, but I just graded it higher due to how great Phoenix is. It actually made a ton of sense; if someone had just laid it out bare, that the director of The Hangover series was going to make his version of King of Comedy but with The Joker, I would not have been so excited to see it. Todd Phillips’s comedic repertoire is a bunch of guys seeing a fat man in a speedo and exclaiming, “Okay, that’s just wrong!” Given a million tries, he could never make something as hilarious but uncomfortable as King of Comedy.
The movie had very little to do with the incel panic people built up around it. The Joker’s main antagonist is the wealthy, and for good reason. He has fantasies about women, but he doesn’t seem terribly interested in laying clown pipe. At no point does he consider getting cosmetic cranial surgery. But everyone pinning this particular set of fears on this movie was incredibly predictable, as “incel” is one of those words journalists learned a year ago and have tricked themselves into believing they’ve known it their whole lives and can deploy it fluently. People saw this and decided that a movie about an abandoned, sad, abused man was about their new favorite word, alternating between repetitive mockery and belief that they would be martyred for reviewing it. It could be one of the darkly funnier outcomes, that this unremarkable movie about a sad, fucked-up guy becomes a rallying point for incels solely because journalists decided that’s what it was about, but I suspect that like everything in our culture, this will be swept up before we notice it.
Joker had the opportunity to be a really good, interesting movie. I firmly believe the biggest unnoticed problem in our culture right now is loneliness, and this could have been a seminal look at our isolated time. It also could have been way funnier, or at least not taken itself so seriously at every moment. It could not have beaten the viewer over the head with the idea that Arthur Fleck is a strange guy and blasted us with genre typical booming orchestrals to remind us what we’re supposed to feel. Unfortunately, we got a version of AJ Soprano talking about Nietzsche, even if Joaquin Phoenix was doing it.
I firmly believe that we are, as a culture, attempting to relive 2004-2006 by playing World of Warcraft, listening to Tool, and watching self-serious Batman universe movies. But if this film had come out in that time and you removed The Joker from the equation, it would be forgotten a day after its release. Maybe years later, people would resuscitate parts of it to use in YouTube meme videos so the president would retweet it. Its main cultural cache would most likely be the DVD that your dirtiest friend always leaves on in his sweltering room.
But all of this comes together to make Joaquin Phoenix’s Arthur Fleck the perfect Joker for our era; something that produces a whirlwind or reaction and counter-reaction, to the point that people are absolutely positive every theater will produce one mass shooting or that Joker will replace all western canon, and after all that, we get a positively unremarkable expedition that will be forgotten by Thanksgiving, a product of a media economy where three companies who make everything keep it as efficient as possible by just making a few types of media properties and hoping people will tear each other apart in the cramped space to increase every product’s Q rating. It is an endless debate over a social phenomenon it’s not actually about, a boring culture war that will have no resolution, and a million jokes people on either side of it don’t actually have fun telling. It’s a bunch of clenched, gritting smiles that made Warner Brothers millions of dollars, and then you go home, more likely to die from boring yet equally evil indignities than getting killed at a culturally relevant event.
For a bonus, it’s in the superhero genre, one of three genres of film we are allowed now outside Noah Baumbach excursions about architects learning to accept their freewheeling stepbrothers and comedies that are made with an algorithm so every scene will be usable in GIF form. And you’ll probably be experiencing moral panics/emotional defenses of every single one of them for the rest of your life.
Todd Phillips may have performed the greatest Joker’s trick of all time, however. He may have made a movie that is more “5.5 out of 10” than any movie before it, and tricked us all into either arguing about how it would cause an army of incels to murder everyone, or get us so annoyed at the constant state of fear we’re supposed to live in that we start arguing with those voices, creating an endless feedback loop of people that are now working 40 hours a week on a volunteer basis to raise Joker awareness. If Phillips is aware of both his limitations as an artist and the current, sick condition of the highest volume consumers of media, he is more twisted than Mr J. himself. But to that end, he should just make another Hangover movie. Our culture that wishes it were the mid 2000s is far more ripe for that.
Until they make another fucking one of these, see you out there in society!
Continue reading
https://deadspin.com/youre-not-going-to-remember-any-of-this-shit-joker-re-1838770612
Post by Morrissey Breen
Sympathy For The Joker | Chapo Trap House | Episode 356 FULL
http://youtu.be/RjUmW4vsUoU
Pod Darn America (Chapo Trap House ep. 225 CLIP)
http://youtu.be/yuRsvqMqbUU
Post by Morrissey Breen
2 Cities, 1 Cup | Chapo Trap House | Episode 306 FULL
http://youtu.be/-xIFQaYq-n8
We review Ben Shapiro's book "The Right Side of History."
6:00 Amber: "He's a dumber Steve Bannon."
The Story of Aaron Swartz...
http://youtu.be/9vz06QO3UkQ
Twisted Tales - Chapo Trap House ep. 346 FULL
http://youtu.be/o21CdUtqerY
Rahm Emmanuelle: The Joys of a Neolib feat. Ryan Grim (Chapo Trap House ep. 318 FULL)
http://youtu.be/Z_EjJhrVqo0
The Story of Coach O -- Chapo Trap House ep. 378 FULL
http://youtu.be/RRDYKZKql_U
Borderline - Chapo Trap House ep. 212 FULL
http://youtu.be/bjnKIeGTLZc
John McCain's imperial funeral: Veteran Mike Prysner on the warmonger's betrayal
http://youtu.be/fchOa5iyFUw
Gorka IV | Chapo Trap House

CLIP from Episode 162 - Arab Spring Breakers feat. GORKA* (11/28/17)
*James Adomian
mrstronghito
mrstronghito
2 hours ago
I wish you guys would make a master cut off all the Gorka appearances, it's one of the funniest running guests/gags on the show. Mr. CHAPO, SIR!

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Dave A
Dave A
6 hours ago
And now a Democratic President, Congress and Senate are rabidly, excitedly, funding the Azov Battalion.
It's a funny old world!

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NICK
NICK
7 hours ago
What happened to Virgil anyway?

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washed up
washed up
7 hours ago
he was sent to Budapest

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Viceroy
Viceroy
4 hours ago
PepeLa


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mrstronghito
mrstronghito
2 hours ago
I heard he was last seen on Little St. James Island 🏝


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sedakame1
sedakame1
11 hours ago
Gunshot, grapeshot... grapefruit shot!

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Lark Turner
Lark Turner
11 hours ago
Heckler and Jeckler and Cock 9mm is my side piece of choice

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Oeroeboeroe
Oeroeboeroe
13 hours ago
IT IS I, THE DRAGON OF BUDAPEST!

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Alberto Machuca
Alberto Machuca
13 hours ago
U dudes r F@#kin hilarious!!

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John Penisini
John Penisini
14 hours ago
Can't call yourself a revolutionary if you don't own a gun 😘

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berdy derg
berdy derg
11 hours ago
Don't call yourself a revolutionary because you bought a gun either though...I'm getting very strong larper vibes.

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John Penisini
John Penisini
11 hours ago
@berdy derg never did. It's a blurry line between training and LARPing

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berdy derg
berdy derg
10 hours ago
@John Penisini :)


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Gary Grinkevich
Gary Grinkevich
15 hours ago
gorka and george takai should do a debate, we would have audio gold for years, "OHHH MIIY - HRRMMYESS"

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chetkayeable
chetkayeable
15 hours ago
James Adomian alongside say Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi were the first true stars on the O.G. Chapo. Respect.

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Ryan N
Ryan N
15 hours ago
The glory days.

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berdy derg
berdy derg
11 hours ago
Glory to chapo!

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idklol
idklol
16 hours ago
the danube will run red today

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Graham Richardson
Graham Richardson
19 hours ago
THE DAY IS NIGH, MISTER CHAPO.

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David Heffron
David Heffron
19 hours ago
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You're Not Going To Remember Any Of This Shit: Joker, Reviewed
ByFelix Biederman
10/04/19 9:48AM
I
“The feeling that the future does not exist, that it is only more of the same, means all utopias are meaningless. Literature has always been relegated to utopia, so when utopia loses meaning, so does literature.”
-Karl Ove Knausgaard, Min Kamp 1
“I’ve tried to find meaning in my life, and I just can’t.”
-Brian Griffin (The Dog), Seth McFarlane’s Family Guy (Volume 10).
Certain periods of American history can now be viewed solely through the lens of the Joker we had at the time. The 1960s had Cesar Romero, whose slapstick hijinks mirrored the CIA’s comical efforts to kill communist leaders using exploding condoms and poisoned dental dams. The 1990s gave us Jack Nicholson, a relic of decades past who committed Adbusters-like crimes such as making an art gallery very scary and twisted. In our dark and gritty aftermath of 9/11 and the national humiliation in Iraq, we had dark and gritty Heath Ledger, arguably the most iconic iteration of the character.
When we snapped out of our angst, we had Jared Leto play the funniest Joker of all time, an initially unintentionally funny byproduct of a moron actor who thought himself far smarter than he actually was, in turn talked about endlessly by members of the media who thought themselves far smarter than they actually were (hey, that’s me!). The months we spent making fun of Leto’s Joker actually look very quaint now. They’re sort of a time capsule, a last look at what semi-irony literate media obsessives spoke and behaved like before Donald Trump was elected, possibly the very last instance of everyone having sustained fun together.
In the three years since, the same throngs still consume every bit of media tossed their way, but with a new seriousness. People who read and react to every post, article, show, and movie have had their brains battered by the Trump era. The human mind probably could not process the sheer volume of things we were supposed to react to before this all became too real for us back in November 2016, and it assuredly cannot now.
Every single day, a few odd hundred thousand people stare into poisonous blue light rays and feel debilitating rage at some things that understandably prompt it and some things that do not. In any event, they will respond with a generic style of online sarcasm that’s been culled from the greatest perma-banned posters of the last decade and sanitized into nothingness. You spew out their words while you react to every macro and micro Trump scandal, watching him mostly weather each cycle not so much unscathed, but ready for a new one that will make you forget about the last one. Everyone is always having a normal one in the normal world, as we clench our teeth so hard we begin to bleed.
People aren’t complete idiots, and know that consuming and reacting to every bit of political media input in and of itself won’t change anything. But I think for some, they’re in a paralyzed state. It’s like a hangover, where any light or movement causes unfathomable pain and you’ve just got to lie in a dehydrated heap until those vapors leave your brain. You know the boring, inconclusive future, and so you have no use in imagining a better life. You just sit around reacting until the next thing.
If you’ve got into the habit of taking and spitting out everything, it’s easy to apply the same rubric to culture. That is how you get the reaction you got to Todd Phillips’s 2019 Joker. In goes a shockingly average movie that I’d probably rate under Four Brothers, out goes more fear-mongering and vociferous defense than for any movie from the past couple of years.
I made sure to see this movie in a well-trafficked theater because I wanted to see if I could spot any undercover cops. However, I made the stupid choice of going to Williamsburg, where everyone looks like a cop on an NBC show. The theater could have been all unusually telegenic cops and then just me, and I never would have figured it out. For what it’s worth, the place was packed to the brim. I’m sure Williamsburg has its fair share of media over-consumers, but judging by the smattering of applause the film received at the end, I don’t think they were well represented at my particular screening.
The movie itself is very straightforward. Arthur Fleck (Joaquin Phoenix in a typically incredible performance) is a man with severe neurological trauma, with one of the symptoms being that he laughs at inappropriate times. Fleck lives with his elderly mother Penny (Frances Conroy) and takes care of her, both revelling in Murray Franklin’s (Robert De Niro) late night comedy show. He works as a clown, performing tasks such as sign spinning and hospital visits. He seems to enjoy his work, although he is frequently abused and demeaned by the public and seen as a weirdo by his coworkers.
One night Fleck is on the subway, reflecting on his long day of being in society, and he sees a group of Wall Street pricks aggressively hit on, then harass a woman in his train car. One thing leads to another, and our protagonist shoots them dead to the last man in one of the film’s best scenes. From there, Fleck decides to show society who’s living in who. He performs standup, but his laughing disorder interrupts his prewritten jokes about what it’s like being on Tinder. He has a dalliance with pretty and charming single mother Sophie Dumond (Zazie Beetz). He is led to believe he is actually the love child of his mother and fascist industrialist Thomas Wayne (Brett Cullen). He is suspected, then pursued for the murder of the three men on the subway who he robbed of a future of investing in Theranos. His murders start a social movement in Gotham’s underclass, who begin identifying with clowns.
Fleck is eventually called up to Murray’s show after his nervous laughter-riddled set goes the 1970s version of viral, which was when your uncle mailed you a VHS tape and you made copies and mailed it to your friends and it became a national story approximately two years later. Before making it there, Fleck gets absolutely duffed by the pencil-pusher schlub Thomas Wayne when he tries to confront him. He then kills his hospitalized mother after realizing both that he is adopted and that she enabled horrific abuse on him as a child. Then he realizes he hallucinated his courtship with Sophie.
Fleck goes on Murray’s show, and after uncomfortably forcing a kiss with a Dr. Ruth stand-in (Sondra James), goes all the way in on society. Before this scene, I would actually fantasize about being society, because people would never notice my hypocrisy. Trust me, I do not have that wish anymore. Fleck freaks out and shoots Murray in the head, and then after being arrested, is freed by a rioting group of clown protestors, one of whom shoots Thomas and Martha Wayne (Carrie Louise Putrello), giving us decades of gravely self-important movies about a guy who makes a scary voice to freak out the mafia.
This was one of the most middling films I have ever seen. It may have been fully bad, but I just graded it higher due to how great Phoenix is. It actually made a ton of sense; if someone had just laid it out bare, that the director of The Hangover series was going to make his version of King of Comedy but with The Joker, I would not have been so excited to see it. Todd Phillips’s comedic repertoire is a bunch of guys seeing a fat man in a speedo and exclaiming, “Okay, that’s just wrong!” Given a million tries, he could never make something as hilarious but uncomfortable as King of Comedy.
The movie had very little to do with the incel panic people built up around it. The Joker’s main antagonist is the wealthy, and for good reason. He has fantasies about women, but he doesn’t seem terribly interested in laying clown pipe. At no point does he consider getting cosmetic cranial surgery. But everyone pinning this particular set of fears on this movie was incredibly predictable, as “incel” is one of those words journalists learned a year ago and have tricked themselves into believing they’ve known it their whole lives and can deploy it fluently. People saw this and decided that a movie about an abandoned, sad, abused man was about their new favorite word, alternating between repetitive mockery and belief that they would be martyred for reviewing it. It could be one of the darkly funnier outcomes, that this unremarkable movie about a sad, fucked-up guy becomes a rallying point for incels solely because journalists decided that’s what it was about, but I suspect that like everything in our culture, this will be swept up before we notice it.
Joker had the opportunity to be a really good, interesting movie. I firmly believe the biggest unnoticed problem in our culture right now is loneliness, and this could have been a seminal look at our isolated time. It also could have been way funnier, or at least not taken itself so seriously at every moment. It could not have beaten the viewer over the head with the idea that Arthur Fleck is a strange guy and blasted us with genre typical booming orchestrals to remind us what we’re supposed to feel. Unfortunately, we got a version of AJ Soprano talking about Nietzsche, even if Joaquin Phoenix was doing it.
I firmly believe that we are, as a culture, attempting to relive 2004-2006 by playing World of Warcraft, listening to Tool, and watching self-serious Batman universe movies. But if this film had come out in that time and you removed The Joker from the equation, it would be forgotten a day after its release. Maybe years later, people would resuscitate parts of it to use in YouTube meme videos so the president would retweet it. Its main cultural cache would most likely be the DVD that your dirtiest friend always leaves on in his sweltering room.
But all of this comes together to make Joaquin Phoenix’s Arthur Fleck the perfect Joker for our era; something that produces a whirlwind or reaction and counter-reaction, to the point that people are absolutely positive every theater will produce one mass shooting or that Joker will replace all western canon, and after all that, we get a positively unremarkable expedition that will be forgotten by Thanksgiving, a product of a media economy where three companies who make everything keep it as efficient as possible by just making a few types of media properties and hoping people will tear each other apart in the cramped space to increase every product’s Q rating. It is an endless debate over a social phenomenon it’s not actually about, a boring culture war that will have no resolution, and a million jokes people on either side of it don’t actually have fun telling. It’s a bunch of clenched, gritting smiles that made Warner Brothers millions of dollars, and then you go home, more likely to die from boring yet equally evil indignities than getting killed at a culturally relevant event.
For a bonus, it’s in the superhero genre, one of three genres of film we are allowed now outside Noah Baumbach excursions about architects learning to accept their freewheeling stepbrothers and comedies that are made with an algorithm so every scene will be usable in GIF form. And you’ll probably be experiencing moral panics/emotional defenses of every single one of them for the rest of your life.
Todd Phillips may have performed the greatest Joker’s trick of all time, however. He may have made a movie that is more “5.5 out of 10” than any movie before it, and tricked us all into either arguing about how it would cause an army of incels to murder everyone, or get us so annoyed at the constant state of fear we’re supposed to live in that we start arguing with those voices, creating an endless feedback loop of people that are now working 40 hours a week on a volunteer basis to raise Joker awareness. If Phillips is aware of both his limitations as an artist and the current, sick condition of the highest volume consumers of media, he is more twisted than Mr J. himself. But to that end, he should just make another Hangover movie. Our culture that wishes it were the mid 2000s is far more ripe for that.
Until they make another fucking one of these, see you out there in society!
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And now a Democratic President, Congress and Senate are rabidly, excitedly, funding the Azov Battalion.
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James Adomian alongside say Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi were the first true stars on the O.G. Chapo. Respect.
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Gorka Morka.
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Israel is guilty of genocide in Palestine and Yemen.
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You're Not Going To Remember Any Of This Shit: Joker, Reviewed
ByFelix Biederman
10/04/19 9:48AM
I
“The feeling that the future does not exist, that it is only more of the same, means all utopias are meaningless. Literature has always been relegated to utopia, so when utopia loses meaning, so does literature.”
-Karl Ove Knausgaard, Min Kamp 1
“I’ve tried to find meaning in my life, and I just can’t.”
-Brian Griffin (The Dog), Seth McFarlane’s Family Guy (Volume 10).
Certain periods of American history can now be viewed solely through the lens of the Joker we had at the time. The 1960s had Cesar Romero, whose slapstick hijinks mirrored the CIA’s comical efforts to kill communist leaders using exploding condoms and poisoned dental dams. The 1990s gave us Jack Nicholson, a relic of decades past who committed Adbusters-like crimes such as making an art gallery very scary and twisted. In our dark and gritty aftermath of 9/11 and the national humiliation in Iraq, we had dark and gritty Heath Ledger, arguably the most iconic iteration of the character.
When we snapped out of our angst, we had Jared Leto play the funniest Joker of all time, an initially unintentionally funny byproduct of a moron actor who thought himself far smarter than he actually was, in turn talked about endlessly by members of the media who thought themselves far smarter than they actually were (hey, that’s me!). The months we spent making fun of Leto’s Joker actually look very quaint now. They’re sort of a time capsule, a last look at what semi-irony literate media obsessives spoke and behaved like before Donald Trump was elected, possibly the very last instance of everyone having sustained fun together.
In the three years since, the same throngs still consume every bit of media tossed their way, but with a new seriousness. People who read and react to every post, article, show, and movie have had their brains battered by the Trump era. The human mind probably could not process the sheer volume of things we were supposed to react to before this all became too real for us back in November 2016, and it assuredly cannot now.
Every single day, a few odd hundred thousand people stare into poisonous blue light rays and feel debilitating rage at some things that understandably prompt it and some things that do not. In any event, they will respond with a generic style of online sarcasm that’s been culled from the greatest perma-banned posters of the last decade and sanitized into nothingness. You spew out their words while you react to every macro and micro Trump scandal, watching him mostly weather each cycle not so much unscathed, but ready for a new one that will make you forget about the last one. Everyone is always having a normal one in the normal world, as we clench our teeth so hard we begin to bleed.
People aren’t complete idiots, and know that consuming and reacting to every bit of political media input in and of itself won’t change anything. But I think for some, they’re in a paralyzed state. It’s like a hangover, where any light or movement causes unfathomable pain and you’ve just got to lie in a dehydrated heap until those vapors leave your brain. You know the boring, inconclusive future, and so you have no use in imagining a better life. You just sit around reacting until the next thing.
If you’ve got into the habit of taking and spitting out everything, it’s easy to apply the same rubric to culture. That is how you get the reaction you got to Todd Phillips’s 2019 Joker. In goes a shockingly average movie that I’d probably rate under Four Brothers, out goes more fear-mongering and vociferous defense than for any movie from the past couple of years.
I made sure to see this movie in a well-trafficked theater because I wanted to see if I could spot any undercover cops. However, I made the stupid choice of going to Williamsburg, where everyone looks like a cop on an NBC show. The theater could have been all unusually telegenic cops and then just me, and I never would have figured it out. For what it’s worth, the place was packed to the brim. I’m sure Williamsburg has its fair share of media over-consumers, but judging by the smattering of applause the film received at the end, I don’t think they were well represented at my particular screening.
The movie itself is very straightforward. Arthur Fleck (Joaquin Phoenix in a typically incredible performance) is a man with severe neurological trauma, with one of the symptoms being that he laughs at inappropriate times. Fleck lives with his elderly mother Penny (Frances Conroy) and takes care of her, both revelling in Murray Franklin’s (Robert De Niro) late night comedy show. He works as a clown, performing tasks such as sign spinning and hospital visits. He seems to enjoy his work, although he is frequently abused and demeaned by the public and seen as a weirdo by his coworkers.
One night Fleck is on the subway, reflecting on his long day of being in society, and he sees a group of Wall Street pricks aggressively hit on, then harass a woman in his train car. One thing leads to another, and our protagonist shoots them dead to the last man in one of the film’s best scenes. From there, Fleck decides to show society who’s living in who. He performs standup, but his laughing disorder interrupts his prewritten jokes about what it’s like being on Tinder. He has a dalliance with pretty and charming single mother Sophie Dumond (Zazie Beetz). He is led to believe he is actually the love child of his mother and fascist industrialist Thomas Wayne (Brett Cullen). He is suspected, then pursued for the murder of the three men on the subway who he robbed of a future of investing in Theranos. His murders start a social movement in Gotham’s underclass, who begin identifying with clowns.
Fleck is eventually called up to Murray’s show after his nervous laughter-riddled set goes the 1970s version of viral, which was when your uncle mailed you a VHS tape and you made copies and mailed it to your friends and it became a national story approximately two years later. Before making it there, Fleck gets absolutely duffed by the pencil-pusher schlub Thomas Wayne when he tries to confront him. He then kills his hospitalized mother after realizing both that he is adopted and that she enabled horrific abuse on him as a child. Then he realizes he hallucinated his courtship with Sophie.
Fleck goes on Murray’s show, and after uncomfortably forcing a kiss with a Dr. Ruth stand-in (Sondra James), goes all the way in on society. Before this scene, I would actually fantasize about being society, because people would never notice my hypocrisy. Trust me, I do not have that wish anymore. Fleck freaks out and shoots Murray in the head, and then after being arrested, is freed by a rioting group of clown protestors, one of whom shoots Thomas and Martha Wayne (Carrie Louise Putrello), giving us decades of gravely self-important movies about a guy who makes a scary voice to freak out the mafia.
This was one of the most middling films I have ever seen. It may have been fully bad, but I just graded it higher due to how great Phoenix is. It actually made a ton of sense; if someone had just laid it out bare, that the director of The Hangover series was going to make his version of King of Comedy but with The Joker, I would not have been so excited to see it. Todd Phillips’s comedic repertoire is a bunch of guys seeing a fat man in a speedo and exclaiming, “Okay, that’s just wrong!” Given a million tries, he could never make something as hilarious but uncomfortable as King of Comedy.
The movie had very little to do with the incel panic people built up around it. The Joker’s main antagonist is the wealthy, and for good reason. He has fantasies about women, but he doesn’t seem terribly interested in laying clown pipe. At no point does he consider getting cosmetic cranial surgery. But everyone pinning this particular set of fears on this movie was incredibly predictable, as “incel” is one of those words journalists learned a year ago and have tricked themselves into believing they’ve known it their whole lives and can deploy it fluently. People saw this and decided that a movie about an abandoned, sad, abused man was about their new favorite word, alternating between repetitive mockery and belief that they would be martyred for reviewing it. It could be one of the darkly funnier outcomes, that this unremarkable movie about a sad, fucked-up guy becomes a rallying point for incels solely because journalists decided that’s what it was about, but I suspect that like everything in our culture, this will be swept up before we notice it.
Joker had the opportunity to be a really good, interesting movie. I firmly believe the biggest unnoticed problem in our culture right now is loneliness, and this could have been a seminal look at our isolated time. It also could have been way funnier, or at least not taken itself so seriously at every moment. It could not have beaten the viewer over the head with the idea that Arthur Fleck is a strange guy and blasted us with genre typical booming orchestrals to remind us what we’re supposed to feel. Unfortunately, we got a version of AJ Soprano talking about Nietzsche, even if Joaquin Phoenix was doing it.
I firmly believe that we are, as a culture, attempting to relive 2004-2006 by playing World of Warcraft, listening to Tool, and watching self-serious Batman universe movies. But if this film had come out in that time and you removed The Joker from the equation, it would be forgotten a day after its release. Maybe years later, people would resuscitate parts of it to use in YouTube meme videos so the president would retweet it. Its main cultural cache would most likely be the DVD that your dirtiest friend always leaves on in his sweltering room.
But all of this comes together to make Joaquin Phoenix’s Arthur Fleck the perfect Joker for our era; something that produces a whirlwind or reaction and counter-reaction, to the point that people are absolutely positive every theater will produce one mass shooting or that Joker will replace all western canon, and after all that, we get a positively unremarkable expedition that will be forgotten by Thanksgiving, a product of a media economy where three companies who make everything keep it as efficient as possible by just making a few types of media properties and hoping people will tear each other apart in the cramped space to increase every product’s Q rating. It is an endless debate over a social phenomenon it’s not actually about, a boring culture war that will have no resolution, and a million jokes people on either side of it don’t actually have fun telling. It’s a bunch of clenched, gritting smiles that made Warner Brothers millions of dollars, and then you go home, more likely to die from boring yet equally evil indignities than getting killed at a culturally relevant event.
For a bonus, it’s in the superhero genre, one of three genres of film we are allowed now outside Noah Baumbach excursions about architects learning to accept their freewheeling stepbrothers and comedies that are made with an algorithm so every scene will be usable in GIF form. And you’ll probably be experiencing moral panics/emotional defenses of every single one of them for the rest of your life.
Todd Phillips may have performed the greatest Joker’s trick of all time, however. He may have made a movie that is more “5.5 out of 10” than any movie before it, and tricked us all into either arguing about how it would cause an army of incels to murder everyone, or get us so annoyed at the constant state of fear we’re supposed to live in that we start arguing with those voices, creating an endless feedback loop of people that are now working 40 hours a week on a volunteer basis to raise Joker awareness. If Phillips is aware of both his limitations as an artist and the current, sick condition of the highest volume consumers of media, he is more twisted than Mr J. himself. But to that end, he should just make another Hangover movie. Our culture that wishes it were the mid 2000s is far more ripe for that.
Until they make another fucking one of these, see you out there in society!
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@Cubby anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. I'm Jewish and I support BDS and ending all theocracies.
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You're Not Going To Remember Any Of This Shit: Joker, Reviewed
ByFelix Biederman
10/04/19 9:48AM
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“The feeling that the future does not exist, that it is only more of the same, means all utopias are meaningless. Literature has always been relegated to utopia, so when utopia loses meaning, so does literature.”
-Karl Ove Knausgaard, Min Kamp 1
“I’ve tried to find meaning in my life, and I just can’t.”
-Brian Griffin (The Dog), Seth McFarlane’s Family Guy (Volume 10).
Certain periods of American history can now be viewed solely through the lens of the Joker we had at the time. The 1960s had Cesar Romero, whose slapstick hijinks mirrored the CIA’s comical efforts to kill communist leaders using exploding condoms and poisoned dental dams. The 1990s gave us Jack Nicholson, a relic of decades past who committed Adbusters-like crimes such as making an art gallery very scary and twisted. In our dark and gritty aftermath of 9/11 and the national humiliation in Iraq, we had dark and gritty Heath Ledger, arguably the most iconic iteration of the character.
When we snapped out of our angst, we had Jared Leto play the funniest Joker of all time, an initially unintentionally funny byproduct of a moron actor who thought himself far smarter than he actually was, in turn talked about endlessly by members of the media who thought themselves far smarter than they actually were (hey, that’s me!). The months we spent making fun of Leto’s Joker actually look very quaint now. They’re sort of a time capsule, a last look at what semi-irony literate media obsessives spoke and behaved like before Donald Trump was elected, possibly the very last instance of everyone having sustained fun together.
In the three years since, the same throngs still consume every bit of media tossed their way, but with a new seriousness. People who read and react to every post, article, show, and movie have had their brains battered by the Trump era. The human mind probably could not process the sheer volume of things we were supposed to react to before this all became too real for us back in November 2016, and it assuredly cannot now.
Every single day, a few odd hundred thousand people stare into poisonous blue light rays and feel debilitating rage at some things that understandably prompt it and some things that do not. In any event, they will respond with a generic style of online sarcasm that’s been culled from the greatest perma-banned posters of the last decade and sanitized into nothingness. You spew out their words while you react to every macro and micro Trump scandal, watching him mostly weather each cycle not so much unscathed, but ready for a new one that will make you forget about the last one. Everyone is always having a normal one in the normal world, as we clench our teeth so hard we begin to bleed.
People aren’t complete idiots, and know that consuming and reacting to every bit of political media input in and of itself won’t change anything. But I think for some, they’re in a paralyzed state. It’s like a hangover, where any light or movement causes unfathomable pain and you’ve just got to lie in a dehydrated heap until those vapors leave your brain. You know the boring, inconclusive future, and so you have no use in imagining a better life. You just sit around reacting until the next thing.
If you’ve got into the habit of taking and spitting out everything, it’s easy to apply the same rubric to culture. That is how you get the reaction you got to Todd Phillips’s 2019 Joker. In goes a shockingly average movie that I’d probably rate under Four Brothers, out goes more fear-mongering and vociferous defense than for any movie from the past couple of years.
I made sure to see this movie in a well-trafficked theater because I wanted to see if I could spot any undercover cops. However, I made the stupid choice of going to Williamsburg, where everyone looks like a cop on an NBC show. The theater could have been all unusually telegenic cops and then just me, and I never would have figured it out. For what it’s worth, the place was packed to the brim. I’m sure Williamsburg has its fair share of media over-consumers, but judging by the smattering of applause the film received at the end, I don’t think they were well represented at my particular screening.
The movie itself is very straightforward. Arthur Fleck (Joaquin Phoenix in a typically incredible performance) is a man with severe neurological trauma, with one of the symptoms being that he laughs at inappropriate times. Fleck lives with his elderly mother Penny (Frances Conroy) and takes care of her, both revelling in Murray Franklin’s (Robert De Niro) late night comedy show. He works as a clown, performing tasks such as sign spinning and hospital visits. He seems to enjoy his work, although he is frequently abused and demeaned by the public and seen as a weirdo by his coworkers.
One night Fleck is on the subway, reflecting on his long day of being in society, and he sees a group of Wall Street pricks aggressively hit on, then harass a woman in his train car. One thing leads to another, and our protagonist shoots them dead to the last man in one of the film’s best scenes. From there, Fleck decides to show society who’s living in who. He performs standup, but his laughing disorder interrupts his prewritten jokes about what it’s like being on Tinder. He has a dalliance with pretty and charming single mother Sophie Dumond (Zazie Beetz). He is led to believe he is actually the love child of his mother and fascist industrialist Thomas Wayne (Brett Cullen). He is suspected, then pursued for the murder of the three men on the subway who he robbed of a future of investing in Theranos. His murders start a social movement in Gotham’s underclass, who begin identifying with clowns.
Fleck is eventually called up to Murray’s show after his nervous laughter-riddled set goes the 1970s version of viral, which was when your uncle mailed you a VHS tape and you made copies and mailed it to your friends and it became a national story approximately two years later. Before making it there, Fleck gets absolutely duffed by the pencil-pusher schlub Thomas Wayne when he tries to confront him. He then kills his hospitalized mother after realizing both that he is adopted and that she enabled horrific abuse on him as a child. Then he realizes he hallucinated his courtship with Sophie.
Fleck goes on Murray’s show, and after uncomfortably forcing a kiss with a Dr. Ruth stand-in (Sondra James), goes all the way in on society. Before this scene, I would actually fantasize about being society, because people would never notice my hypocrisy. Trust me, I do not have that wish anymore. Fleck freaks out and shoots Murray in the head, and then after being arrested, is freed by a rioting group of clown protestors, one of whom shoots Thomas and Martha Wayne (Carrie Louise Putrello), giving us decades of gravely self-important movies about a guy who makes a scary voice to freak out the mafia.
This was one of the most middling films I have ever seen. It may have been fully bad, but I just graded it higher due to how great Phoenix is. It actually made a ton of sense; if someone had just laid it out bare, that the director of The Hangover series was going to make his version of King of Comedy but with The Joker, I would not have been so excited to see it. Todd Phillips’s comedic repertoire is a bunch of guys seeing a fat man in a speedo and exclaiming, “Okay, that’s just wrong!” Given a million tries, he could never make something as hilarious but uncomfortable as King of Comedy.
The movie had very little to do with the incel panic people built up around it. The Joker’s main antagonist is the wealthy, and for good reason. He has fantasies about women, but he doesn’t seem terribly interested in laying clown pipe. At no point does he consider getting cosmetic cranial surgery. But everyone pinning this particular set of fears on this movie was incredibly predictable, as “incel” is one of those words journalists learned a year ago and have tricked themselves into believing they’ve known it their whole lives and can deploy it fluently. People saw this and decided that a movie about an abandoned, sad, abused man was about their new favorite word, alternating between repetitive mockery and belief that they would be martyred for reviewing it. It could be one of the darkly funnier outcomes, that this unremarkable movie about a sad, fucked-up guy becomes a rallying point for incels solely because journalists decided that’s what it was about, but I suspect that like everything in our culture, this will be swept up before we notice it.
Joker had the opportunity to be a really good, interesting movie. I firmly believe the biggest unnoticed problem in our culture right now is loneliness, and this could have been a seminal look at our isolated time. It also could have been way funnier, or at least not taken itself so seriously at every moment. It could not have beaten the viewer over the head with the idea that Arthur Fleck is a strange guy and blasted us with genre typical booming orchestrals to remind us what we’re supposed to feel. Unfortunately, we got a version of AJ Soprano talking about Nietzsche, even if Joaquin Phoenix was doing it.
I firmly believe that we are, as a culture, attempting to relive 2004-2006 by playing World of Warcraft, listening to Tool, and watching self-serious Batman universe movies. But if this film had come out in that time and you removed The Joker from the equation, it would be forgotten a day after its release. Maybe years later, people would resuscitate parts of it to use in YouTube meme videos so the president would retweet it. Its main cultural cache would most likely be the DVD that your dirtiest friend always leaves on in his sweltering room.
But all of this comes together to make Joaquin Phoenix’s Arthur Fleck the perfect Joker for our era; something that produces a whirlwind or reaction and counter-reaction, to the point that people are absolutely positive every theater will produce one mass shooting or that Joker will replace all western canon, and after all that, we get a positively unremarkable expedition that will be forgotten by Thanksgiving, a product of a media economy where three companies who make everything keep it as efficient as possible by just making a few types of media properties and hoping people will tear each other apart in the cramped space to increase every product’s Q rating. It is an endless debate over a social phenomenon it’s not actually about, a boring culture war that will have no resolution, and a million jokes people on either side of it don’t actually have fun telling. It’s a bunch of clenched, gritting smiles that made Warner Brothers millions of dollars, and then you go home, more likely to die from boring yet equally evil indignities than getting killed at a culturally relevant event.
For a bonus, it’s in the superhero genre, one of three genres of film we are allowed now outside Noah Baumbach excursions about architects learning to accept their freewheeling stepbrothers and comedies that are made with an algorithm so every scene will be usable in GIF form. And you’ll probably be experiencing moral panics/emotional defenses of every single one of them for the rest of your life.
Todd Phillips may have performed the greatest Joker’s trick of all time, however. He may have made a movie that is more “5.5 out of 10” than any movie before it, and tricked us all into either arguing about how it would cause an army of incels to murder everyone, or get us so annoyed at the constant state of fear we’re supposed to live in that we start arguing with those voices, creating an endless feedback loop of people that are now working 40 hours a week on a volunteer basis to raise Joker awareness. If Phillips is aware of both his limitations as an artist and the current, sick condition of the highest volume consumers of media, he is more twisted than Mr J. himself. But to that end, he should just make another Hangover movie. Our culture that wishes it were the mid 2000s is far more ripe for that.
Until they make another fucking one of these, see you out there in society!
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Rahm Emmanuelle: The Joys of a Neolib feat. Ryan Grim (Chapo Trap House ep. 318 FULL)
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The Story of Coach O -- Chapo Trap House ep. 378 FULL
http://youtu.be/RRDYKZKql_U
Borderline - Chapo Trap House ep. 212 FULL
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John McCain's imperial funeral: Veteran Mike Prysner on the warmonger's betrayal
http://youtu.be/fchOa5iyFUw
Gorka IV | Chapo Trap House
http://youtu.be/DNLJmxhbIrs
CLIP from Episode 162 - Arab Spring Breakers feat. GORKA* (11/28/17)
*James Adomian
mrstronghito
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2 hours ago
I wish you guys would make a master cut off all the Gorka appearances, it's one of the funniest running guests/gags on the show. Mr. CHAPO, SIR!
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Dave A
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6 hours ago
And now a Democratic President, Congress and Senate are rabidly, excitedly, funding the Azov Battalion.
It's a funny old world!
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What happened to Virgil anyway?
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he was sent to Budapest
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I heard he was last seen on Little St. James Island 🏝
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11 hours ago
Gunshot, grapeshot... grapefruit shot!
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Heckler and Jeckler and Cock 9mm is my side piece of choice
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IT IS I, THE DRAGON OF BUDAPEST!
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Can't call yourself a revolutionary if you don't own a gun 😘
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Don't call yourself a revolutionary because you bought a gun either though...I'm getting very strong larper vibes.
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John Penisini
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@berdy derg never did. It's a blurry line between training and LARPing
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@John Penisini :)
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gorka and george takai should do a debate, we would have audio gold for years, "OHHH MIIY - HRRMMYESS"
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James Adomian alongside say Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi were the first true stars on the O.G. Chapo. Respect.
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The glory days.
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Glory to chapo!
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the danube will run red today
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Graham Richardson
19 hours ago
THE DAY IS NIGH, MISTER CHAPO.
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Love you Chapo boys❤(and 1 girl)
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The girl being Adam whomst I love. (cause I’m gay.)
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@Mickey Quinn Hell yeah dude
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Gorka Morka.
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Gorka Maclunky.
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Cunning yet brutal, brutal yet cunning.
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Gorkaaaaaaa
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CLIP from Episode 267 - Eric the Bewitched (11/29/18)
Newsmax Host Cuts Off and Yells at U.S. Army Veteran for Telling the Truth

Stupid host on the crazy conservative news network Newsmax started yelling “cut him off!” when a guest mildly criticized President Trump about the circumstances of the Afghanistan withdrawal. The guest, Joe Saboe, had also criticized the Biden administration's response. Representative Ted Lieu explains details of the bad deal Trump made with the Taliban.
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Half Baked | Chapo Trap House episode 612 (3/21/22)


"Dallas was built by people who for religious reason can't drink soda, but they're allowed to have sex slaves."
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Tom Shillue riffs on how things have changed since the 70s on 'Gutfeld!'
http://youtu.be/FgTTxo6Wtv8
Thomas A. Shillue is an American stand-up comedian, actor, author, and talk-show host from Norwood, Massachusetts. He was a correspondent on The Daily Show on Comedy Central and hosted Red Eye on Fox News. He has been a supporting cast member on... Wikipedia
Born: 13 June 1966 (age 55 years), Norwood, Massachusetts, United States
Spouse: Denise Shillue (m. 2003)
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Jeffrey Goldberg Loves MBS | Chapo Trap House
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Melanie Sheldon
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Israel is guilty of genocide in Palestine and Yemen.
Could you talk about them?
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We all know that already. Chapo is mostly a comedy podcast.
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cool it with the antisemitism
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John Penisini
John Penisini
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@Cubby anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. I'm Jewish and I support BDS and ending all theocracies.
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Wind Chimes
Wind Chimes
3 hours ago
@John Penisini I think it was an American Psycho reference
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3 hours ago
they talk about israel constantly lol
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@FreakyZed bro I think they were joking
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berdy derg
berdy derg
3 hours ago
Everyone on this channel is well aware, go yell into the abyss that is libs defending it
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Aaron Peony
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@Cubby haha nice troll
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@Cubby don’t play that game Israeli Zionism is not equated to Jewish it’s politics and many Jews are against Israel
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@John Penisini welcome Jewish brother from a Palestinian. We should all live together
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15 of the 19 hijackers.... just sayin
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15:17 great soundboard
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In an attempt to win over American minority communities, he will take a knee at all future bonesaw dismemberments of journalists
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Hi I'm Mohammed bin Salman, welcome to Jackass!
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People like MBS should be like Voldemort to these people who usually drone on about the divine mission of US imperialism because the you know the whole chopping journalists heads off thing.
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Chapo Trap House - Cry Macho Movie Review
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More Pods About Streaming and Books feat. Steven Donziger - Chapo Trap House Episode 598 FULL
http://youtu.be/7smMkWa4dcg
Chapo Reading Series Classic - Chapo Reads a Trad Cath Manifesto
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Raandy Rigs The Election | Chapo Trap House
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Chapo Reading Series -- Michael Wolff's newest book...
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Awful Range 15 movie reviewed by Chapo Trap House...
http://youtu.be/bK5jWVSqL3Q
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The Liberal Driller | Chapo Trap House (Episode 593 clip 1/13/22)
http://youtu.be/L2eq-rpAUIw
Chapo Reading Series - Thomas Friedman Wants a Biden-Cheney Ticket in 2024
http://youtu.be/gdgr8NUmVdc
Thomas Friedman is to political science what Deepak Chopra is to actual science. /// Hillary/Cheney vs Trump/pillow guy is the final season that america deserves.
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You're Not Going To Remember Any Of This Shit: Joker, Reviewed
ByFelix Biederman
10/04/19 9:48AM
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“The feeling that the future does not exist, that it is only more of the same, means all utopias are meaningless. Literature has always been relegated to utopia, so when utopia loses meaning, so does literature.”
-Karl Ove Knausgaard, Min Kamp 1
“I’ve tried to find meaning in my life, and I just can’t.”
-Brian Griffin (The Dog), Seth McFarlane’s Family Guy (Volume 10).
Certain periods of American history can now be viewed solely through the lens of the Joker we had at the time. The 1960s had Cesar Romero, whose slapstick hijinks mirrored the CIA’s comical efforts to kill communist leaders using exploding condoms and poisoned dental dams. The 1990s gave us Jack Nicholson, a relic of decades past who committed Adbusters-like crimes such as making an art gallery very scary and twisted. In our dark and gritty aftermath of 9/11 and the national humiliation in Iraq, we had dark and gritty Heath Ledger, arguably the most iconic iteration of the character.
When we snapped out of our angst, we had Jared Leto play the funniest Joker of all time, an initially unintentionally funny byproduct of a moron actor who thought himself far smarter than he actually was, in turn talked about endlessly by members of the media who thought themselves far smarter than they actually were (hey, that’s me!). The months we spent making fun of Leto’s Joker actually look very quaint now. They’re sort of a time capsule, a last look at what semi-irony literate media obsessives spoke and behaved like before Donald Trump was elected, possibly the very last instance of everyone having sustained fun together.
In the three years since, the same throngs still consume every bit of media tossed their way, but with a new seriousness. People who read and react to every post, article, show, and movie have had their brains battered by the Trump era. The human mind probably could not process the sheer volume of things we were supposed to react to before this all became too real for us back in November 2016, and it assuredly cannot now.
Every single day, a few odd hundred thousand people stare into poisonous blue light rays and feel debilitating rage at some things that understandably prompt it and some things that do not. In any event, they will respond with a generic style of online sarcasm that’s been culled from the greatest perma-banned posters of the last decade and sanitized into nothingness. You spew out their words while you react to every macro and micro Trump scandal, watching him mostly weather each cycle not so much unscathed, but ready for a new one that will make you forget about the last one. Everyone is always having a normal one in the normal world, as we clench our teeth so hard we begin to bleed.
People aren’t complete idiots, and know that consuming and reacting to every bit of political media input in and of itself won’t change anything. But I think for some, they’re in a paralyzed state. It’s like a hangover, where any light or movement causes unfathomable pain and you’ve just got to lie in a dehydrated heap until those vapors leave your brain. You know the boring, inconclusive future, and so you have no use in imagining a better life. You just sit around reacting until the next thing.
If you’ve got into the habit of taking and spitting out everything, it’s easy to apply the same rubric to culture. That is how you get the reaction you got to Todd Phillips’s 2019 Joker. In goes a shockingly average movie that I’d probably rate under Four Brothers, out goes more fear-mongering and vociferous defense than for any movie from the past couple of years.
I made sure to see this movie in a well-trafficked theater because I wanted to see if I could spot any undercover cops. However, I made the stupid choice of going to Williamsburg, where everyone looks like a cop on an NBC show. The theater could have been all unusually telegenic cops and then just me, and I never would have figured it out. For what it’s worth, the place was packed to the brim. I’m sure Williamsburg has its fair share of media over-consumers, but judging by the smattering of applause the film received at the end, I don’t think they were well represented at my particular screening.
The movie itself is very straightforward. Arthur Fleck (Joaquin Phoenix in a typically incredible performance) is a man with severe neurological trauma, with one of the symptoms being that he laughs at inappropriate times. Fleck lives with his elderly mother Penny (Frances Conroy) and takes care of her, both revelling in Murray Franklin’s (Robert De Niro) late night comedy show. He works as a clown, performing tasks such as sign spinning and hospital visits. He seems to enjoy his work, although he is frequently abused and demeaned by the public and seen as a weirdo by his coworkers.
One night Fleck is on the subway, reflecting on his long day of being in society, and he sees a group of Wall Street pricks aggressively hit on, then harass a woman in his train car. One thing leads to another, and our protagonist shoots them dead to the last man in one of the film’s best scenes. From there, Fleck decides to show society who’s living in who. He performs standup, but his laughing disorder interrupts his prewritten jokes about what it’s like being on Tinder. He has a dalliance with pretty and charming single mother Sophie Dumond (Zazie Beetz). He is led to believe he is actually the love child of his mother and fascist industrialist Thomas Wayne (Brett Cullen). He is suspected, then pursued for the murder of the three men on the subway who he robbed of a future of investing in Theranos. His murders start a social movement in Gotham’s underclass, who begin identifying with clowns.
Fleck is eventually called up to Murray’s show after his nervous laughter-riddled set goes the 1970s version of viral, which was when your uncle mailed you a VHS tape and you made copies and mailed it to your friends and it became a national story approximately two years later. Before making it there, Fleck gets absolutely duffed by the pencil-pusher schlub Thomas Wayne when he tries to confront him. He then kills his hospitalized mother after realizing both that he is adopted and that she enabled horrific abuse on him as a child. Then he realizes he hallucinated his courtship with Sophie.
Fleck goes on Murray’s show, and after uncomfortably forcing a kiss with a Dr. Ruth stand-in (Sondra James), goes all the way in on society. Before this scene, I would actually fantasize about being society, because people would never notice my hypocrisy. Trust me, I do not have that wish anymore. Fleck freaks out and shoots Murray in the head, and then after being arrested, is freed by a rioting group of clown protestors, one of whom shoots Thomas and Martha Wayne (Carrie Louise Putrello), giving us decades of gravely self-important movies about a guy who makes a scary voice to freak out the mafia.
This was one of the most middling films I have ever seen. It may have been fully bad, but I just graded it higher due to how great Phoenix is. It actually made a ton of sense; if someone had just laid it out bare, that the director of The Hangover series was going to make his version of King of Comedy but with The Joker, I would not have been so excited to see it. Todd Phillips’s comedic repertoire is a bunch of guys seeing a fat man in a speedo and exclaiming, “Okay, that’s just wrong!” Given a million tries, he could never make something as hilarious but uncomfortable as King of Comedy.
The movie had very little to do with the incel panic people built up around it. The Joker’s main antagonist is the wealthy, and for good reason. He has fantasies about women, but he doesn’t seem terribly interested in laying clown pipe. At no point does he consider getting cosmetic cranial surgery. But everyone pinning this particular set of fears on this movie was incredibly predictable, as “incel” is one of those words journalists learned a year ago and have tricked themselves into believing they’ve known it their whole lives and can deploy it fluently. People saw this and decided that a movie about an abandoned, sad, abused man was about their new favorite word, alternating between repetitive mockery and belief that they would be martyred for reviewing it. It could be one of the darkly funnier outcomes, that this unremarkable movie about a sad, fucked-up guy becomes a rallying point for incels solely because journalists decided that’s what it was about, but I suspect that like everything in our culture, this will be swept up before we notice it.
Joker had the opportunity to be a really good, interesting movie. I firmly believe the biggest unnoticed problem in our culture right now is loneliness, and this could have been a seminal look at our isolated time. It also could have been way funnier, or at least not taken itself so seriously at every moment. It could not have beaten the viewer over the head with the idea that Arthur Fleck is a strange guy and blasted us with genre typical booming orchestrals to remind us what we’re supposed to feel. Unfortunately, we got a version of AJ Soprano talking about Nietzsche, even if Joaquin Phoenix was doing it.
I firmly believe that we are, as a culture, attempting to relive 2004-2006 by playing World of Warcraft, listening to Tool, and watching self-serious Batman universe movies. But if this film had come out in that time and you removed The Joker from the equation, it would be forgotten a day after its release. Maybe years later, people would resuscitate parts of it to use in YouTube meme videos so the president would retweet it. Its main cultural cache would most likely be the DVD that your dirtiest friend always leaves on in his sweltering room.
But all of this comes together to make Joaquin Phoenix’s Arthur Fleck the perfect Joker for our era; something that produces a whirlwind or reaction and counter-reaction, to the point that people are absolutely positive every theater will produce one mass shooting or that Joker will replace all western canon, and after all that, we get a positively unremarkable expedition that will be forgotten by Thanksgiving, a product of a media economy where three companies who make everything keep it as efficient as possible by just making a few types of media properties and hoping people will tear each other apart in the cramped space to increase every product’s Q rating. It is an endless debate over a social phenomenon it’s not actually about, a boring culture war that will have no resolution, and a million jokes people on either side of it don’t actually have fun telling. It’s a bunch of clenched, gritting smiles that made Warner Brothers millions of dollars, and then you go home, more likely to die from boring yet equally evil indignities than getting killed at a culturally relevant event.
For a bonus, it’s in the superhero genre, one of three genres of film we are allowed now outside Noah Baumbach excursions about architects learning to accept their freewheeling stepbrothers and comedies that are made with an algorithm so every scene will be usable in GIF form. And you’ll probably be experiencing moral panics/emotional defenses of every single one of them for the rest of your life.
Todd Phillips may have performed the greatest Joker’s trick of all time, however. He may have made a movie that is more “5.5 out of 10” than any movie before it, and tricked us all into either arguing about how it would cause an army of incels to murder everyone, or get us so annoyed at the constant state of fear we’re supposed to live in that we start arguing with those voices, creating an endless feedback loop of people that are now working 40 hours a week on a volunteer basis to raise Joker awareness. If Phillips is aware of both his limitations as an artist and the current, sick condition of the highest volume consumers of media, he is more twisted than Mr J. himself. But to that end, he should just make another Hangover movie. Our culture that wishes it were the mid 2000s is far more ripe for that.
Until they make another fucking one of these, see you out there in society!
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Sympathy For The Joker | Chapo Trap House | Episode 356 FULL
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Pod Darn America (Chapo Trap House ep. 225 CLIP)
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We review Ben Shapiro's book "The Right Side of History."
6:00 Amber: "He's a dumber Steve Bannon."
The Story of Aaron Swartz...
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Twisted Tales - Chapo Trap House ep. 346 FULL
http://youtu.be/o21CdUtqerY
Rahm Emmanuelle: The Joys of a Neolib feat. Ryan Grim (Chapo Trap House ep. 318 FULL)
http://youtu.be/Z_EjJhrVqo0
The Story of Coach O -- Chapo Trap House ep. 378 FULL
http://youtu.be/RRDYKZKql_U
Borderline - Chapo Trap House ep. 212 FULL
http://youtu.be/bjnKIeGTLZc
John McCain's imperial funeral: Veteran Mike Prysner on the warmonger's betrayal
http://youtu.be/fchOa5iyFUw
Gorka IV | Chapo Trap House
http://youtu.be/DNLJmxhbIrs
CLIP from Episode 162 - Arab Spring Breakers feat. GORKA* (11/28/17)
*James Adomian
mrstronghito
mrstronghito
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I wish you guys would make a master cut off all the Gorka appearances, it's one of the funniest running guests/gags on the show. Mr. CHAPO, SIR!
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Dave A
Dave A
6 hours ago
And now a Democratic President, Congress and Senate are rabidly, excitedly, funding the Azov Battalion.
It's a funny old world!
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7 hours ago
What happened to Virgil anyway?
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he was sent to Budapest
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I heard he was last seen on Little St. James Island 🏝
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Gunshot, grapeshot... grapefruit shot!
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Heckler and Jeckler and Cock 9mm is my side piece of choice
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IT IS I, THE DRAGON OF BUDAPEST!
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Can't call yourself a revolutionary if you don't own a gun 😘
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Don't call yourself a revolutionary because you bought a gun either though...I'm getting very strong larper vibes.
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@berdy derg never did. It's a blurry line between training and LARPing
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@John Penisini :)
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gorka and george takai should do a debate, we would have audio gold for years, "OHHH MIIY - HRRMMYESS"
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chetkayeable
chetkayeable
15 hours ago
James Adomian alongside say Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi were the first true stars on the O.G. Chapo. Respect.
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The glory days.
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Glory to chapo!
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THE DAY IS NIGH, MISTER CHAPO.
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Goooooooooooooooooorrrrrkkkkkaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
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Love you Chapo boys❤(and 1 girl)
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The girl being Adam whomst I love. (cause I’m gay.)
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Gorka Morka.
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Gorka Maclunky.
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CLIP from Episode 267 - Eric the Bewitched (11/29/18)
Newsmax Host Cuts Off and Yells at U.S. Army Veteran for Telling the Truth
http://youtu.be/NIBdbkrf7l4
Stupid host on the crazy conservative news network Newsmax started yelling “cut him off!” when a guest mildly criticized President Trump about the circumstances of the Afghanistan withdrawal. The guest, Joe Saboe, had also criticized the Biden administration's response. Representative Ted Lieu explains details of the bad deal Trump made with the Taliban.
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hronbubberd
1 year ago
I worked as a picture framer in Dublin which is the city next to Pleasanton, and I had to frame some original drawings for a show in like 2013. I had to del with his wife who held an iPad with him on Skype approving the design. He came in person to get the pieces and he just stared dead eyed at then and softly mumbles “okay” . I thanked him and he just turned and slowly walked off. Master of seduction he was.
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I believe dead-eyed monosyllabism is actually more seductive than high facility with language. But that's just going on my own experience as a man who possesses high facility with language, and who's read one too many Psychology Today articles about how women ovulate when men grunt and squint.
Then Again: At 22:00 et seq Will reveals that Adams had vocal dystonia, which might have cost him his first marriage (yeah, musta been that, right?) and was allegedly corrected by nerve surgery. Or maybe wife two just responded more hormonally to grunting.
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@RatPfink66 I think she got tired of his shit and punched him in the throat so hard it gave him vocal dystonia


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I actually read both "Gods Debris" and "How to win everything but still win big". Both I believe were before his alt right transformation, but I enjoyed both reasonably. Gods debris was ok, what always struck me as incredibly naïve was a scene where god is telling the reader that the reason why everyone had different views was merely because they had different information, when it just so utterly fails to account for how our biases influence what information we absorb in the first place, or it's a really poorly worded free will argument. His other book was largely just an entertaining story of his life and his experiences, and was actually pretty funny and interesting, but contained basically just the generic self help stuff (affirmations, how to build your skill stack, etc). At the time of my life when I was reading it though it was relevant to me and I enjoyed it. It's a shame to see a guy who has lived a pretty witty and interesting life obviously struggle to cope with getting old...

This piece also explains his voice condition wrong. Basically parts of his speech started entirely to fade out, resulting in a lot of his words almost fading out in the middle of his sentences due to being unable to say almost like a certain note in speech. The cutting of the nerve requires no speaking for weeks after the surgery, and humming at a specific tune seems to help so he speculates that he had a permanently wounded vocal chord which just needed to be absolutely not engaged for a few weeks to heal properly. He also had a problem where he stopped being able to use a pencil for a bit and had to trick his muscle memory into letting him use it again. Again, a weird and interesting guy lost to Trump hypnosis lmao.
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I started reading one of Adams' books, I think it was the Dilbert Principle, before he came out as a Trump devotee and in it he blames losing one of his jobs on minorities. He claims that his company told him they would no longer promote white men, so he would have to work somewhere else if he wanted to continue advancing his career. It seemed like an odd thing to write about, but in retrospect it makes so much sense.
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it is immoral to right privilege to minorities simply based on their status; positive discrimination is no different from jim crow.

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‘The Dilbert Principle’…🤣

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well if his company told him that then they were being discriminatory and he was right to not be cool with it

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Man I loved that book back when I read it many years ago... In... A different life lol. But geez I can't remember I didn't notice that. Wtf

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@Chillbo Swaggins why would they tell him that though? Engage your brain for 10 seconds and it's pretty easy to tell that it's a made up story.

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Tom Shillue riffs on how things have changed since the 70s on 'Gutfeld!'
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Israel is guilty of genocide in Palestine and Yemen.
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We all know that already. Chapo is mostly a comedy podcast.
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cool it with the antisemitism
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John Penisini
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@Cubby anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. I'm Jewish and I support BDS and ending all theocracies.
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@John Penisini I think it was an American Psycho reference
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they talk about israel constantly lol
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@FreakyZed bro I think they were joking
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Everyone on this channel is well aware, go yell into the abyss that is libs defending it
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@Cubby haha nice troll
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@Cubby don’t play that game Israeli Zionism is not equated to Jewish it’s politics and many Jews are against Israel
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@John Penisini welcome Jewish brother from a Palestinian. We should all live together
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15 of the 19 hijackers.... just sayin
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15:17 great soundboard
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In an attempt to win over American minority communities, he will take a knee at all future bonesaw dismemberments of journalists
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People like MBS should be like Voldemort to these people who usually drone on about the divine mission of US imperialism because the you know the whole chopping journalists heads off thing.
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You're Not Going To Remember Any Of This Shit: Joker, Reviewed
ByFelix Biederman
10/04/19 9:48AM
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“The feeling that the future does not exist, that it is only more of the same, means all utopias are meaningless. Literature has always been relegated to utopia, so when utopia loses meaning, so does literature.”
-Karl Ove Knausgaard, Min Kamp 1
“I’ve tried to find meaning in my life, and I just can’t.”
-Brian Griffin (The Dog), Seth McFarlane’s Family Guy (Volume 10).
Certain periods of American history can now be viewed solely through the lens of the Joker we had at the time. The 1960s had Cesar Romero, whose slapstick hijinks mirrored the CIA’s comical efforts to kill communist leaders using exploding condoms and poisoned dental dams. The 1990s gave us Jack Nicholson, a relic of decades past who committed Adbusters-like crimes such as making an art gallery very scary and twisted. In our dark and gritty aftermath of 9/11 and the national humiliation in Iraq, we had dark and gritty Heath Ledger, arguably the most iconic iteration of the character.
When we snapped out of our angst, we had Jared Leto play the funniest Joker of all time, an initially unintentionally funny byproduct of a moron actor who thought himself far smarter than he actually was, in turn talked about endlessly by members of the media who thought themselves far smarter than they actually were (hey, that’s me!). The months we spent making fun of Leto’s Joker actually look very quaint now. They’re sort of a time capsule, a last look at what semi-irony literate media obsessives spoke and behaved like before Donald Trump was elected, possibly the very last instance of everyone having sustained fun together.
In the three years since, the same throngs still consume every bit of media tossed their way, but with a new seriousness. People who read and react to every post, article, show, and movie have had their brains battered by the Trump era. The human mind probably could not process the sheer volume of things we were supposed to react to before this all became too real for us back in November 2016, and it assuredly cannot now.
Every single day, a few odd hundred thousand people stare into poisonous blue light rays and feel debilitating rage at some things that understandably prompt it and some things that do not. In any event, they will respond with a generic style of online sarcasm that’s been culled from the greatest perma-banned posters of the last decade and sanitized into nothingness. You spew out their words while you react to every macro and micro Trump scandal, watching him mostly weather each cycle not so much unscathed, but ready for a new one that will make you forget about the last one. Everyone is always having a normal one in the normal world, as we clench our teeth so hard we begin to bleed.
People aren’t complete idiots, and know that consuming and reacting to every bit of political media input in and of itself won’t change anything. But I think for some, they’re in a paralyzed state. It’s like a hangover, where any light or movement causes unfathomable pain and you’ve just got to lie in a dehydrated heap until those vapors leave your brain. You know the boring, inconclusive future, and so you have no use in imagining a better life. You just sit around reacting until the next thing.
If you’ve got into the habit of taking and spitting out everything, it’s easy to apply the same rubric to culture. That is how you get the reaction you got to Todd Phillips’s 2019 Joker. In goes a shockingly average movie that I’d probably rate under Four Brothers, out goes more fear-mongering and vociferous defense than for any movie from the past couple of years.
I made sure to see this movie in a well-trafficked theater because I wanted to see if I could spot any undercover cops. However, I made the stupid choice of going to Williamsburg, where everyone looks like a cop on an NBC show. The theater could have been all unusually telegenic cops and then just me, and I never would have figured it out. For what it’s worth, the place was packed to the brim. I’m sure Williamsburg has its fair share of media over-consumers, but judging by the smattering of applause the film received at the end, I don’t think they were well represented at my particular screening.
The movie itself is very straightforward. Arthur Fleck (Joaquin Phoenix in a typically incredible performance) is a man with severe neurological trauma, with one of the symptoms being that he laughs at inappropriate times. Fleck lives with his elderly mother Penny (Frances Conroy) and takes care of her, both revelling in Murray Franklin’s (Robert De Niro) late night comedy show. He works as a clown, performing tasks such as sign spinning and hospital visits. He seems to enjoy his work, although he is frequently abused and demeaned by the public and seen as a weirdo by his coworkers.
One night Fleck is on the subway, reflecting on his long day of being in society, and he sees a group of Wall Street pricks aggressively hit on, then harass a woman in his train car. One thing leads to another, and our protagonist shoots them dead to the last man in one of the film’s best scenes. From there, Fleck decides to show society who’s living in who. He performs standup, but his laughing disorder interrupts his prewritten jokes about what it’s like being on Tinder. He has a dalliance with pretty and charming single mother Sophie Dumond (Zazie Beetz). He is led to believe he is actually the love child of his mother and fascist industrialist Thomas Wayne (Brett Cullen). He is suspected, then pursued for the murder of the three men on the subway who he robbed of a future of investing in Theranos. His murders start a social movement in Gotham’s underclass, who begin identifying with clowns.
Fleck is eventually called up to Murray’s show after his nervous laughter-riddled set goes the 1970s version of viral, which was when your uncle mailed you a VHS tape and you made copies and mailed it to your friends and it became a national story approximately two years later. Before making it there, Fleck gets absolutely duffed by the pencil-pusher schlub Thomas Wayne when he tries to confront him. He then kills his hospitalized mother after realizing both that he is adopted and that she enabled horrific abuse on him as a child. Then he realizes he hallucinated his courtship with Sophie.
Fleck goes on Murray’s show, and after uncomfortably forcing a kiss with a Dr. Ruth stand-in (Sondra James), goes all the way in on society. Before this scene, I would actually fantasize about being society, because people would never notice my hypocrisy. Trust me, I do not have that wish anymore. Fleck freaks out and shoots Murray in the head, and then after being arrested, is freed by a rioting group of clown protestors, one of whom shoots Thomas and Martha Wayne (Carrie Louise Putrello), giving us decades of gravely self-important movies about a guy who makes a scary voice to freak out the mafia.
This was one of the most middling films I have ever seen. It may have been fully bad, but I just graded it higher due to how great Phoenix is. It actually made a ton of sense; if someone had just laid it out bare, that the director of The Hangover series was going to make his version of King of Comedy but with The Joker, I would not have been so excited to see it. Todd Phillips’s comedic repertoire is a bunch of guys seeing a fat man in a speedo and exclaiming, “Okay, that’s just wrong!” Given a million tries, he could never make something as hilarious but uncomfortable as King of Comedy.
The movie had very little to do with the incel panic people built up around it. The Joker’s main antagonist is the wealthy, and for good reason. He has fantasies about women, but he doesn’t seem terribly interested in laying clown pipe. At no point does he consider getting cosmetic cranial surgery. But everyone pinning this particular set of fears on this movie was incredibly predictable, as “incel” is one of those words journalists learned a year ago and have tricked themselves into believing they’ve known it their whole lives and can deploy it fluently. People saw this and decided that a movie about an abandoned, sad, abused man was about their new favorite word, alternating between repetitive mockery and belief that they would be martyred for reviewing it. It could be one of the darkly funnier outcomes, that this unremarkable movie about a sad, fucked-up guy becomes a rallying point for incels solely because journalists decided that’s what it was about, but I suspect that like everything in our culture, this will be swept up before we notice it.
Joker had the opportunity to be a really good, interesting movie. I firmly believe the biggest unnoticed problem in our culture right now is loneliness, and this could have been a seminal look at our isolated time. It also could have been way funnier, or at least not taken itself so seriously at every moment. It could not have beaten the viewer over the head with the idea that Arthur Fleck is a strange guy and blasted us with genre typical booming orchestrals to remind us what we’re supposed to feel. Unfortunately, we got a version of AJ Soprano talking about Nietzsche, even if Joaquin Phoenix was doing it.
I firmly believe that we are, as a culture, attempting to relive 2004-2006 by playing World of Warcraft, listening to Tool, and watching self-serious Batman universe movies. But if this film had come out in that time and you removed The Joker from the equation, it would be forgotten a day after its release. Maybe years later, people would resuscitate parts of it to use in YouTube meme videos so the president would retweet it. Its main cultural cache would most likely be the DVD that your dirtiest friend always leaves on in his sweltering room.
But all of this comes together to make Joaquin Phoenix’s Arthur Fleck the perfect Joker for our era; something that produces a whirlwind or reaction and counter-reaction, to the point that people are absolutely positive every theater will produce one mass shooting or that Joker will replace all western canon, and after all that, we get a positively unremarkable expedition that will be forgotten by Thanksgiving, a product of a media economy where three companies who make everything keep it as efficient as possible by just making a few types of media properties and hoping people will tear each other apart in the cramped space to increase every product’s Q rating. It is an endless debate over a social phenomenon it’s not actually about, a boring culture war that will have no resolution, and a million jokes people on either side of it don’t actually have fun telling. It’s a bunch of clenched, gritting smiles that made Warner Brothers millions of dollars, and then you go home, more likely to die from boring yet equally evil indignities than getting killed at a culturally relevant event.
For a bonus, it’s in the superhero genre, one of three genres of film we are allowed now outside Noah Baumbach excursions about architects learning to accept their freewheeling stepbrothers and comedies that are made with an algorithm so every scene will be usable in GIF form. And you’ll probably be experiencing moral panics/emotional defenses of every single one of them for the rest of your life.
Todd Phillips may have performed the greatest Joker’s trick of all time, however. He may have made a movie that is more “5.5 out of 10” than any movie before it, and tricked us all into either arguing about how it would cause an army of incels to murder everyone, or get us so annoyed at the constant state of fear we’re supposed to live in that we start arguing with those voices, creating an endless feedback loop of people that are now working 40 hours a week on a volunteer basis to raise Joker awareness. If Phillips is aware of both his limitations as an artist and the current, sick condition of the highest volume consumers of media, he is more twisted than Mr J. himself. But to that end, he should just make another Hangover movie. Our culture that wishes it were the mid 2000s is far more ripe for that.
Until they make another fucking one of these, see you out there in society!
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I wish you guys would make a master cut off all the Gorka appearances, it's one of the funniest running guests/gags on the show. Mr. CHAPO, SIR!
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And now a Democratic President, Congress and Senate are rabidly, excitedly, funding the Azov Battalion.
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Don't call yourself a revolutionary because you bought a gun either though...I'm getting very strong larper vibes.
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@berdy derg never did. It's a blurry line between training and LARPing
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James Adomian alongside say Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi were the first true stars on the O.G. Chapo. Respect.
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hronbubberd
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1 year ago
I worked as a picture framer in Dublin which is the city next to Pleasanton, and I had to frame some original drawings for a show in like 2013. I had to del with his wife who held an iPad with him on Skype approving the design. He came in person to get the pieces and he just stared dead eyed at then and softly mumbles “okay” . I thanked him and he just turned and slowly walked off. Master of seduction he was.
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I believe dead-eyed monosyllabism is actually more seductive than high facility with language. But that's just going on my own experience as a man who possesses high facility with language, and who's read one too many Psychology Today articles about how women ovulate when men grunt and squint.
Then Again: At 22:00 et seq Will reveals that Adams had vocal dystonia, which might have cost him his first marriage (yeah, musta been that, right?) and was allegedly corrected by nerve surgery. Or maybe wife two just responded more hormonally to grunting.
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@RatPfink66 I think she got tired of his shit and punched him in the throat so hard it gave him vocal dystonia
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I actually read both "Gods Debris" and "How to win everything but still win big". Both I believe were before his alt right transformation, but I enjoyed both reasonably. Gods debris was ok, what always struck me as incredibly naïve was a scene where god is telling the reader that the reason why everyone had different views was merely because they had different information, when it just so utterly fails to account for how our biases influence what information we absorb in the first place, or it's a really poorly worded free will argument. His other book was largely just an entertaining story of his life and his experiences, and was actually pretty funny and interesting, but contained basically just the generic self help stuff (affirmations, how to build your skill stack, etc). At the time of my life when I was reading it though it was relevant to me and I enjoyed it. It's a shame to see a guy who has lived a pretty witty and interesting life obviously struggle to cope with getting old...
This piece also explains his voice condition wrong. Basically parts of his speech started entirely to fade out, resulting in a lot of his words almost fading out in the middle of his sentences due to being unable to say almost like a certain note in speech. The cutting of the nerve requires no speaking for weeks after the surgery, and humming at a specific tune seems to help so he speculates that he had a permanently wounded vocal chord which just needed to be absolutely not engaged for a few weeks to heal properly. He also had a problem where he stopped being able to use a pencil for a bit and had to trick his muscle memory into letting him use it again. Again, a weird and interesting guy lost to Trump hypnosis lmao.
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1 year ago
I started reading one of Adams' books, I think it was the Dilbert Principle, before he came out as a Trump devotee and in it he blames losing one of his jobs on minorities. He claims that his company told him they would no longer promote white men, so he would have to work somewhere else if he wanted to continue advancing his career. It seemed like an odd thing to write about, but in retrospect it makes so much sense.
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it is immoral to right privilege to minorities simply based on their status; positive discrimination is no different from jim crow.
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I’m
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Mmmmmmm
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‘The Dilbert Principle’…🤣
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well if his company told him that then they were being discriminatory and he was right to not be cool with it
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Man I loved that book back when I read it many years ago... In... A different life lol. But geez I can't remember I didn't notice that. Wtf
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@Chillbo Swaggins why would they tell him that though? Engage your brain for 10 seconds and it's pretty easy to tell that it's a made up story.
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Tom Shillue riffs on how things have changed since the 70s on 'Gutfeld!'
http://youtu.be/FgTTxo6Wtv8
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Spouse: Denise Shillue (m. 2003)
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Jeffrey Goldberg Loves MBS | Chapo Trap House
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Melanie Sheldon
Melanie Sheldon
5 hours ago
Israel is guilty of genocide in Palestine and Yemen.
Could you talk about them?
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We all know that already. Chapo is mostly a comedy podcast.
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Cubby
Cubby
4 hours ago
cool it with the antisemitism
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John Penisini
John Penisini
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@Cubby anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. I'm Jewish and I support BDS and ending all theocracies.
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Wind Chimes
Wind Chimes
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@John Penisini I think it was an American Psycho reference
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Sam Weinstein
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3 hours ago
they talk about israel constantly lol
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@FreakyZed bro I think they were joking
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berdy derg
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Everyone on this channel is well aware, go yell into the abyss that is libs defending it
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Aaron Peony
Aaron Peony
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@Cubby haha nice troll
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Naymit Mayne
Naymit Mayne
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@Cubby don’t play that game Israeli Zionism is not equated to Jewish it’s politics and many Jews are against Israel
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@John Penisini welcome Jewish brother from a Palestinian. We should all live together
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15 of the 19 hijackers.... just sayin
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15:17 great soundboard
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Chronic the Weedhog
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In an attempt to win over American minority communities, he will take a knee at all future bonesaw dismemberments of journalists
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Hi I'm Mohammed bin Salman, welcome to Jackass!
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People like MBS should be like Voldemort to these people who usually drone on about the divine mission of US imperialism because the you know the whole chopping journalists heads off thing.
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Chapo Reading Series - Thomas Friedman Wants a Biden-Cheney Ticket in 2024
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You're Not Going To Remember Any Of This Shit: Joker, Reviewed
ByFelix Biederman
10/04/19 9:48AM
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“The feeling that the future does not exist, that it is only more of the same, means all utopias are meaningless. Literature has always been relegated to utopia, so when utopia loses meaning, so does literature.”
-Karl Ove Knausgaard, Min Kamp 1
“I’ve tried to find meaning in my life, and I just can’t.”
-Brian Griffin (The Dog), Seth McFarlane’s Family Guy (Volume 10).
Certain periods of American history can now be viewed solely through the lens of the Joker we had at the time. The 1960s had Cesar Romero, whose slapstick hijinks mirrored the CIA’s comical efforts to kill communist leaders using exploding condoms and poisoned dental dams. The 1990s gave us Jack Nicholson, a relic of decades past who committed Adbusters-like crimes such as making an art gallery very scary and twisted. In our dark and gritty aftermath of 9/11 and the national humiliation in Iraq, we had dark and gritty Heath Ledger, arguably the most iconic iteration of the character.
When we snapped out of our angst, we had Jared Leto play the funniest Joker of all time, an initially unintentionally funny byproduct of a moron actor who thought himself far smarter than he actually was, in turn talked about endlessly by members of the media who thought themselves far smarter than they actually were (hey, that’s me!). The months we spent making fun of Leto’s Joker actually look very quaint now. They’re sort of a time capsule, a last look at what semi-irony literate media obsessives spoke and behaved like before Donald Trump was elected, possibly the very last instance of everyone having sustained fun together.
In the three years since, the same throngs still consume every bit of media tossed their way, but with a new seriousness. People who read and react to every post, article, show, and movie have had their brains battered by the Trump era. The human mind probably could not process the sheer volume of things we were supposed to react to before this all became too real for us back in November 2016, and it assuredly cannot now.
Every single day, a few odd hundred thousand people stare into poisonous blue light rays and feel debilitating rage at some things that understandably prompt it and some things that do not. In any event, they will respond with a generic style of online sarcasm that’s been culled from the greatest perma-banned posters of the last decade and sanitized into nothingness. You spew out their words while you react to every macro and micro Trump scandal, watching him mostly weather each cycle not so much unscathed, but ready for a new one that will make you forget about the last one. Everyone is always having a normal one in the normal world, as we clench our teeth so hard we begin to bleed.
People aren’t complete idiots, and know that consuming and reacting to every bit of political media input in and of itself won’t change anything. But I think for some, they’re in a paralyzed state. It’s like a hangover, where any light or movement causes unfathomable pain and you’ve just got to lie in a dehydrated heap until those vapors leave your brain. You know the boring, inconclusive future, and so you have no use in imagining a better life. You just sit around reacting until the next thing.
If you’ve got into the habit of taking and spitting out everything, it’s easy to apply the same rubric to culture. That is how you get the reaction you got to Todd Phillips’s 2019 Joker. In goes a shockingly average movie that I’d probably rate under Four Brothers, out goes more fear-mongering and vociferous defense than for any movie from the past couple of years.
I made sure to see this movie in a well-trafficked theater because I wanted to see if I could spot any undercover cops. However, I made the stupid choice of going to Williamsburg, where everyone looks like a cop on an NBC show. The theater could have been all unusually telegenic cops and then just me, and I never would have figured it out. For what it’s worth, the place was packed to the brim. I’m sure Williamsburg has its fair share of media over-consumers, but judging by the smattering of applause the film received at the end, I don’t think they were well represented at my particular screening.
The movie itself is very straightforward. Arthur Fleck (Joaquin Phoenix in a typically incredible performance) is a man with severe neurological trauma, with one of the symptoms being that he laughs at inappropriate times. Fleck lives with his elderly mother Penny (Frances Conroy) and takes care of her, both revelling in Murray Franklin’s (Robert De Niro) late night comedy show. He works as a clown, performing tasks such as sign spinning and hospital visits. He seems to enjoy his work, although he is frequently abused and demeaned by the public and seen as a weirdo by his coworkers.
One night Fleck is on the subway, reflecting on his long day of being in society, and he sees a group of Wall Street pricks aggressively hit on, then harass a woman in his train car. One thing leads to another, and our protagonist shoots them dead to the last man in one of the film’s best scenes. From there, Fleck decides to show society who’s living in who. He performs standup, but his laughing disorder interrupts his prewritten jokes about what it’s like being on Tinder. He has a dalliance with pretty and charming single mother Sophie Dumond (Zazie Beetz). He is led to believe he is actually the love child of his mother and fascist industrialist Thomas Wayne (Brett Cullen). He is suspected, then pursued for the murder of the three men on the subway who he robbed of a future of investing in Theranos. His murders start a social movement in Gotham’s underclass, who begin identifying with clowns.
Fleck is eventually called up to Murray’s show after his nervous laughter-riddled set goes the 1970s version of viral, which was when your uncle mailed you a VHS tape and you made copies and mailed it to your friends and it became a national story approximately two years later. Before making it there, Fleck gets absolutely duffed by the pencil-pusher schlub Thomas Wayne when he tries to confront him. He then kills his hospitalized mother after realizing both that he is adopted and that she enabled horrific abuse on him as a child. Then he realizes he hallucinated his courtship with Sophie.
Fleck goes on Murray’s show, and after uncomfortably forcing a kiss with a Dr. Ruth stand-in (Sondra James), goes all the way in on society. Before this scene, I would actually fantasize about being society, because people would never notice my hypocrisy. Trust me, I do not have that wish anymore. Fleck freaks out and shoots Murray in the head, and then after being arrested, is freed by a rioting group of clown protestors, one of whom shoots Thomas and Martha Wayne (Carrie Louise Putrello), giving us decades of gravely self-important movies about a guy who makes a scary voice to freak out the mafia.
This was one of the most middling films I have ever seen. It may have been fully bad, but I just graded it higher due to how great Phoenix is. It actually made a ton of sense; if someone had just laid it out bare, that the director of The Hangover series was going to make his version of King of Comedy but with The Joker, I would not have been so excited to see it. Todd Phillips’s comedic repertoire is a bunch of guys seeing a fat man in a speedo and exclaiming, “Okay, that’s just wrong!” Given a million tries, he could never make something as hilarious but uncomfortable as King of Comedy.
The movie had very little to do with the incel panic people built up around it. The Joker’s main antagonist is the wealthy, and for good reason. He has fantasies about women, but he doesn’t seem terribly interested in laying clown pipe. At no point does he consider getting cosmetic cranial surgery. But everyone pinning this particular set of fears on this movie was incredibly predictable, as “incel” is one of those words journalists learned a year ago and have tricked themselves into believing they’ve known it their whole lives and can deploy it fluently. People saw this and decided that a movie about an abandoned, sad, abused man was about their new favorite word, alternating between repetitive mockery and belief that they would be martyred for reviewing it. It could be one of the darkly funnier outcomes, that this unremarkable movie about a sad, fucked-up guy becomes a rallying point for incels solely because journalists decided that’s what it was about, but I suspect that like everything in our culture, this will be swept up before we notice it.
Joker had the opportunity to be a really good, interesting movie. I firmly believe the biggest unnoticed problem in our culture right now is loneliness, and this could have been a seminal look at our isolated time. It also could have been way funnier, or at least not taken itself so seriously at every moment. It could not have beaten the viewer over the head with the idea that Arthur Fleck is a strange guy and blasted us with genre typical booming orchestrals to remind us what we’re supposed to feel. Unfortunately, we got a version of AJ Soprano talking about Nietzsche, even if Joaquin Phoenix was doing it.
I firmly believe that we are, as a culture, attempting to relive 2004-2006 by playing World of Warcraft, listening to Tool, and watching self-serious Batman universe movies. But if this film had come out in that time and you removed The Joker from the equation, it would be forgotten a day after its release. Maybe years later, people would resuscitate parts of it to use in YouTube meme videos so the president would retweet it. Its main cultural cache would most likely be the DVD that your dirtiest friend always leaves on in his sweltering room.
But all of this comes together to make Joaquin Phoenix’s Arthur Fleck the perfect Joker for our era; something that produces a whirlwind or reaction and counter-reaction, to the point that people are absolutely positive every theater will produce one mass shooting or that Joker will replace all western canon, and after all that, we get a positively unremarkable expedition that will be forgotten by Thanksgiving, a product of a media economy where three companies who make everything keep it as efficient as possible by just making a few types of media properties and hoping people will tear each other apart in the cramped space to increase every product’s Q rating. It is an endless debate over a social phenomenon it’s not actually about, a boring culture war that will have no resolution, and a million jokes people on either side of it don’t actually have fun telling. It’s a bunch of clenched, gritting smiles that made Warner Brothers millions of dollars, and then you go home, more likely to die from boring yet equally evil indignities than getting killed at a culturally relevant event.
For a bonus, it’s in the superhero genre, one of three genres of film we are allowed now outside Noah Baumbach excursions about architects learning to accept their freewheeling stepbrothers and comedies that are made with an algorithm so every scene will be usable in GIF form. And you’ll probably be experiencing moral panics/emotional defenses of every single one of them for the rest of your life.
Todd Phillips may have performed the greatest Joker’s trick of all time, however. He may have made a movie that is more “5.5 out of 10” than any movie before it, and tricked us all into either arguing about how it would cause an army of incels to murder everyone, or get us so annoyed at the constant state of fear we’re supposed to live in that we start arguing with those voices, creating an endless feedback loop of people that are now working 40 hours a week on a volunteer basis to raise Joker awareness. If Phillips is aware of both his limitations as an artist and the current, sick condition of the highest volume consumers of media, he is more twisted than Mr J. himself. But to that end, he should just make another Hangover movie. Our culture that wishes it were the mid 2000s is far more ripe for that.
Until they make another fucking one of these, see you out there in society!
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We review Ben Shapiro's book "The Right Side of History."
6:00 Amber: "He's a dumber Steve Bannon."
The Story of Aaron Swartz...
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Twisted Tales - Chapo Trap House ep. 346 FULL
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John McCain's imperial funeral: Veteran Mike Prysner on the warmonger's betrayal
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CLIP from Episode 162 - Arab Spring Breakers feat. GORKA* (11/28/17)
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mrstronghito
mrstronghito
2 hours ago
I wish you guys would make a master cut off all the Gorka appearances, it's one of the funniest running guests/gags on the show. Mr. CHAPO, SIR!
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6 hours ago
And now a Democratic President, Congress and Senate are rabidly, excitedly, funding the Azov Battalion.
It's a funny old world!
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What happened to Virgil anyway?
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he was sent to Budapest
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I heard he was last seen on Little St. James Island 🏝
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Can't call yourself a revolutionary if you don't own a gun 😘
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Don't call yourself a revolutionary because you bought a gun either though...I'm getting very strong larper vibes.
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11 hours ago
@berdy derg never did. It's a blurry line between training and LARPing
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@John Penisini :)
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gorka and george takai should do a debate, we would have audio gold for years, "OHHH MIIY - HRRMMYESS"
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15 hours ago
James Adomian alongside say Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi were the first true stars on the O.G. Chapo. Respect.
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15 hours ago
The glory days.
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Glory to chapo!
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16 hours ago
the danube will run red today
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19 hours ago
THE DAY IS NIGH, MISTER CHAPO.
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Love you Chapo boys❤(and 1 girl)
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The girl being Adam whomst I love. (cause I’m gay.)
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Gorka Morka.
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Gorka Maclunky.
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CLIP from Episode 267 - Eric the Bewitched (11/29/18)
Newsmax Host Cuts Off and Yells at U.S. Army Veteran for Telling the Truth
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Stupid host on the crazy conservative news network Newsmax started yelling “cut him off!” when a guest mildly criticized President Trump about the circumstances of the Afghanistan withdrawal. The guest, Joe Saboe, had also criticized the Biden administration's response. Representative Ted Lieu explains details of the bad deal Trump made with the Taliban.
Chapo Reading Series - Hunter Biden's Memoir

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Thomas Giles
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4 days ago
Felix became the Elden Lord and achieved the Hunter ending.

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Still maidenless, then.

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4 days ago
“Children of C’Mon, Man” is such a great joke that sadly will never work in any other context

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4 days ago
Not with that attitude, Jack!

Ah shoot, sorry man, I...I didn't mean that....

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3 days ago
Time stamp?

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3 days ago
Three strains of separate nonsense meaning eachother at one perfect point, then separating into parallel lines never to cross one another ever again.

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Christian Anderson
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4 days ago
This actually sounds like a pretty fun read. He doesn't seem as grotesque as Don Jr. or Jared Kushner, but damn is he solidly a member of the same ilk, and so comically unaware of it.

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4 days ago
I'd like to see an analysis of the second sons of the US political aristocracy that pulls out the frequency of character traits and life decisions like Hunter and Jr trying to head out on their own.

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Leonard Eisen
4 days ago
It’s not “like” Beau is named after Joe. He WAS named after Joe. Beau’s name was Joseph Robinette Biden III. Beau was a nickname.

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3 days ago
Yeah, also Beau is short for “Beautiful” — he got that nickname cause when he came out of his mom womb & got born & stuff, everyone could immediately see how beautiful he was, and so Joe goes “my god, he is so fucking hot” and then they’re like “yeah let’s call him Beau which is short for beautiful.”
crazy story but yea there u have it
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3 days ago
It's really no mystery about why he's so charming, he's a classic stereotype out of a Ms. Marple novel: The Unscrupulous Young Man. He's not hollow, he has beliefs, convictions, sorrows and deep love for certain other people, he just has absolutely no moral fiber whatsoever.


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2 days ago
'The Bidens' will be such a great show. American exceptionalism incarnate. I'm glad you acknowledged that Bo was the actual disgraceful maverick of the clan.


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4 days ago
Hell yeah dude. Hunter is aspirational.

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Hanlon's Razor is very popular it seems.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

I think people like applying it because it lets them imagine they're smarter than the subject. And Malice has of course made a note of that fact. Therefore I find the opposite to Hanlon's Razor to be a much more powerful tool.

"Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice"
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George Sorros
4 days ago
Honestly as a recovering heroin/crack addict I can identify with hunter biden more than I can any other presidents son. I'd vote for him any day

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Rat king 666
Rat king 666
4 days ago
Hunter Biden for president

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Will Elliot
4 days ago
He definitely plays bloodborne and acts like they are addressing him by name the whole game.

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4 days ago
can't wait for hunter vs. don jr. in 2028. who will be president party boy supreme? they probably have the same dealer.

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Lincoln S
4 days ago
Junior can't win, he's too attached to the beard. The American people haven't elected a bearded man in 150 years.

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16 hours ago
Nice to see y'all gobbling hunter's D

I expected no less

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4 days ago
Hunter Brandon

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4 days ago
Good morning, Sunday morning

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William Chamberlain
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4 days ago
Hunter Biden is kind of a Jerry

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1 year ago
I worked as a picture framer in Dublin which is the city next to Pleasanton, and I had to frame some original drawings for a show in like 2013. I had to del with his wife who held an iPad with him on Skype approving the design. He came in person to get the pieces and he just stared dead eyed at then and softly mumbles “okay” . I thanked him and he just turned and slowly walked off. Master of seduction he was.
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I believe dead-eyed monosyllabism is actually more seductive than high facility with language. But that's just going on my own experience as a man who possesses high facility with language, and who's read one too many Psychology Today articles about how women ovulate when men grunt and squint.
Then Again: At 22:00 et seq Will reveals that Adams had vocal dystonia, which might have cost him his first marriage (yeah, musta been that, right?) and was allegedly corrected by nerve surgery. Or maybe wife two just responded more hormonally to grunting.
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@RatPfink66 I think she got tired of his shit and punched him in the throat so hard it gave him vocal dystonia
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Elias Pinno
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1 year ago (edited)
I actually read both "Gods Debris" and "How to win everything but still win big". Both I believe were before his alt right transformation, but I enjoyed both reasonably. Gods debris was ok, what always struck me as incredibly naïve was a scene where god is telling the reader that the reason why everyone had different views was merely because they had different information, when it just so utterly fails to account for how our biases influence what information we absorb in the first place, or it's a really poorly worded free will argument. His other book was largely just an entertaining story of his life and his experiences, and was actually pretty funny and interesting, but contained basically just the generic self help stuff (affirmations, how to build your skill stack, etc). At the time of my life when I was reading it though it was relevant to me and I enjoyed it. It's a shame to see a guy who has lived a pretty witty and interesting life obviously struggle to cope with getting old...
This piece also explains his voice condition wrong. Basically parts of his speech started entirely to fade out, resulting in a lot of his words almost fading out in the middle of his sentences due to being unable to say almost like a certain note in speech. The cutting of the nerve requires no speaking for weeks after the surgery, and humming at a specific tune seems to help so he speculates that he had a permanently wounded vocal chord which just needed to be absolutely not engaged for a few weeks to heal properly. He also had a problem where he stopped being able to use a pencil for a bit and had to trick his muscle memory into letting him use it again. Again, a weird and interesting guy lost to Trump hypnosis lmao.
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Kyle Wollman
1 year ago
I started reading one of Adams' books, I think it was the Dilbert Principle, before he came out as a Trump devotee and in it he blames losing one of his jobs on minorities. He claims that his company told him they would no longer promote white men, so he would have to work somewhere else if he wanted to continue advancing his career. It seemed like an odd thing to write about, but in retrospect it makes so much sense.
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Renegen1
Renegen1
1 year ago
it is immoral to right privilege to minorities simply based on their status; positive discrimination is no different from jim crow.
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beingwithnoarms
beingwithnoarms
1 year ago
I’m
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beingwithnoarms
1 year ago
Mmmmmmm
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Subversively Surreal
Subversively Surreal
1 year ago
‘The Dilbert Principle’…🤣
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Chillbo Swaggins
Chillbo Swaggins
1 year ago
well if his company told him that then they were being discriminatory and he was right to not be cool with it
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cszollinger
cszollinger
1 year ago
Man I loved that book back when I read it many years ago... In... A different life lol. But geez I can't remember I didn't notice that. Wtf
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The Fighter
The Fighter
8 months ago
@Chillbo Swaggins why would they tell him that though? Engage your brain for 10 seconds and it's pretty easy to tell that it's a made up story.
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Half Baked | Chapo Trap House episode 612 (3/21/22)
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"Dallas was built by people who for religious reason can't drink soda, but they're allowed to have sex slaves."
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Tom Shillue riffs on how things have changed since the 70s on 'Gutfeld!'
http://youtu.be/FgTTxo6Wtv8
Thomas A. Shillue is an American stand-up comedian, actor, author, and talk-show host from Norwood, Massachusetts. He was a correspondent on The Daily Show on Comedy Central and hosted Red Eye on Fox News. He has been a supporting cast member on... Wikipedia
Born: 13 June 1966 (age 55 years), Norwood, Massachusetts, United States
Spouse: Denise Shillue (m. 2003)
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Jeffrey Goldberg Loves MBS | Chapo Trap House
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Melanie Sheldon
Melanie Sheldon
5 hours ago
Israel is guilty of genocide in Palestine and Yemen.
Could you talk about them?
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John Penisini
John Penisini
4 hours ago
We all know that already. Chapo is mostly a comedy podcast.
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Cubby
Cubby
4 hours ago
cool it with the antisemitism
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John Penisini
John Penisini
4 hours ago
@Cubby anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. I'm Jewish and I support BDS and ending all theocracies.
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Wind Chimes
Wind Chimes
3 hours ago
@John Penisini I think it was an American Psycho reference
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Sam Weinstein
Sam Weinstein
3 hours ago
they talk about israel constantly lol
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3 hours ago
@FreakyZed bro I think they were joking
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berdy derg
berdy derg
3 hours ago
Everyone on this channel is well aware, go yell into the abyss that is libs defending it
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Aaron Peony
Aaron Peony
2 hours ago
@Cubby haha nice troll
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Naymit Mayne
Naymit Mayne
1 hour ago
@Cubby don’t play that game Israeli Zionism is not equated to Jewish it’s politics and many Jews are against Israel
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Naymit Mayne
Naymit Mayne
1 hour ago
@John Penisini welcome Jewish brother from a Palestinian. We should all live together
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Joe Be There
5 hours ago
15 of the 19 hijackers.... just sayin
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Wind Chimes
5 hours ago
15:17 great soundboard
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Chronic the Weedhog
6 hours ago
In an attempt to win over American minority communities, he will take a knee at all future bonesaw dismemberments of journalists
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6 hours ago (edited)
Hi I'm Mohammed bin Salman, welcome to Jackass!
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People like MBS should be like Voldemort to these people who usually drone on about the divine mission of US imperialism because the you know the whole chopping journalists heads off thing.
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You're Not Going To Remember Any Of This Shit: Joker, Reviewed
ByFelix Biederman
10/04/19 9:48AM
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“The feeling that the future does not exist, that it is only more of the same, means all utopias are meaningless. Literature has always been relegated to utopia, so when utopia loses meaning, so does literature.”
-Karl Ove Knausgaard, Min Kamp 1
“I’ve tried to find meaning in my life, and I just can’t.”
-Brian Griffin (The Dog), Seth McFarlane’s Family Guy (Volume 10).
Certain periods of American history can now be viewed solely through the lens of the Joker we had at the time. The 1960s had Cesar Romero, whose slapstick hijinks mirrored the CIA’s comical efforts to kill communist leaders using exploding condoms and poisoned dental dams. The 1990s gave us Jack Nicholson, a relic of decades past who committed Adbusters-like crimes such as making an art gallery very scary and twisted. In our dark and gritty aftermath of 9/11 and the national humiliation in Iraq, we had dark and gritty Heath Ledger, arguably the most iconic iteration of the character.
When we snapped out of our angst, we had Jared Leto play the funniest Joker of all time, an initially unintentionally funny byproduct of a moron actor who thought himself far smarter than he actually was, in turn talked about endlessly by members of the media who thought themselves far smarter than they actually were (hey, that’s me!). The months we spent making fun of Leto’s Joker actually look very quaint now. They’re sort of a time capsule, a last look at what semi-irony literate media obsessives spoke and behaved like before Donald Trump was elected, possibly the very last instance of everyone having sustained fun together.
In the three years since, the same throngs still consume every bit of media tossed their way, but with a new seriousness. People who read and react to every post, article, show, and movie have had their brains battered by the Trump era. The human mind probably could not process the sheer volume of things we were supposed to react to before this all became too real for us back in November 2016, and it assuredly cannot now.
Every single day, a few odd hundred thousand people stare into poisonous blue light rays and feel debilitating rage at some things that understandably prompt it and some things that do not. In any event, they will respond with a generic style of online sarcasm that’s been culled from the greatest perma-banned posters of the last decade and sanitized into nothingness. You spew out their words while you react to every macro and micro Trump scandal, watching him mostly weather each cycle not so much unscathed, but ready for a new one that will make you forget about the last one. Everyone is always having a normal one in the normal world, as we clench our teeth so hard we begin to bleed.
People aren’t complete idiots, and know that consuming and reacting to every bit of political media input in and of itself won’t change anything. But I think for some, they’re in a paralyzed state. It’s like a hangover, where any light or movement causes unfathomable pain and you’ve just got to lie in a dehydrated heap until those vapors leave your brain. You know the boring, inconclusive future, and so you have no use in imagining a better life. You just sit around reacting until the next thing.
If you’ve got into the habit of taking and spitting out everything, it’s easy to apply the same rubric to culture. That is how you get the reaction you got to Todd Phillips’s 2019 Joker. In goes a shockingly average movie that I’d probably rate under Four Brothers, out goes more fear-mongering and vociferous defense than for any movie from the past couple of years.
I made sure to see this movie in a well-trafficked theater because I wanted to see if I could spot any undercover cops. However, I made the stupid choice of going to Williamsburg, where everyone looks like a cop on an NBC show. The theater could have been all unusually telegenic cops and then just me, and I never would have figured it out. For what it’s worth, the place was packed to the brim. I’m sure Williamsburg has its fair share of media over-consumers, but judging by the smattering of applause the film received at the end, I don’t think they were well represented at my particular screening.
The movie itself is very straightforward. Arthur Fleck (Joaquin Phoenix in a typically incredible performance) is a man with severe neurological trauma, with one of the symptoms being that he laughs at inappropriate times. Fleck lives with his elderly mother Penny (Frances Conroy) and takes care of her, both revelling in Murray Franklin’s (Robert De Niro) late night comedy show. He works as a clown, performing tasks such as sign spinning and hospital visits. He seems to enjoy his work, although he is frequently abused and demeaned by the public and seen as a weirdo by his coworkers.
One night Fleck is on the subway, reflecting on his long day of being in society, and he sees a group of Wall Street pricks aggressively hit on, then harass a woman in his train car. One thing leads to another, and our protagonist shoots them dead to the last man in one of the film’s best scenes. From there, Fleck decides to show society who’s living in who. He performs standup, but his laughing disorder interrupts his prewritten jokes about what it’s like being on Tinder. He has a dalliance with pretty and charming single mother Sophie Dumond (Zazie Beetz). He is led to believe he is actually the love child of his mother and fascist industrialist Thomas Wayne (Brett Cullen). He is suspected, then pursued for the murder of the three men on the subway who he robbed of a future of investing in Theranos. His murders start a social movement in Gotham’s underclass, who begin identifying with clowns.
Fleck is eventually called up to Murray’s show after his nervous laughter-riddled set goes the 1970s version of viral, which was when your uncle mailed you a VHS tape and you made copies and mailed it to your friends and it became a national story approximately two years later. Before making it there, Fleck gets absolutely duffed by the pencil-pusher schlub Thomas Wayne when he tries to confront him. He then kills his hospitalized mother after realizing both that he is adopted and that she enabled horrific abuse on him as a child. Then he realizes he hallucinated his courtship with Sophie.
Fleck goes on Murray’s show, and after uncomfortably forcing a kiss with a Dr. Ruth stand-in (Sondra James), goes all the way in on society. Before this scene, I would actually fantasize about being society, because people would never notice my hypocrisy. Trust me, I do not have that wish anymore. Fleck freaks out and shoots Murray in the head, and then after being arrested, is freed by a rioting group of clown protestors, one of whom shoots Thomas and Martha Wayne (Carrie Louise Putrello), giving us decades of gravely self-important movies about a guy who makes a scary voice to freak out the mafia.
This was one of the most middling films I have ever seen. It may have been fully bad, but I just graded it higher due to how great Phoenix is. It actually made a ton of sense; if someone had just laid it out bare, that the director of The Hangover series was going to make his version of King of Comedy but with The Joker, I would not have been so excited to see it. Todd Phillips’s comedic repertoire is a bunch of guys seeing a fat man in a speedo and exclaiming, “Okay, that’s just wrong!” Given a million tries, he could never make something as hilarious but uncomfortable as King of Comedy.
The movie had very little to do with the incel panic people built up around it. The Joker’s main antagonist is the wealthy, and for good reason. He has fantasies about women, but he doesn’t seem terribly interested in laying clown pipe. At no point does he consider getting cosmetic cranial surgery. But everyone pinning this particular set of fears on this movie was incredibly predictable, as “incel” is one of those words journalists learned a year ago and have tricked themselves into believing they’ve known it their whole lives and can deploy it fluently. People saw this and decided that a movie about an abandoned, sad, abused man was about their new favorite word, alternating between repetitive mockery and belief that they would be martyred for reviewing it. It could be one of the darkly funnier outcomes, that this unremarkable movie about a sad, fucked-up guy becomes a rallying point for incels solely because journalists decided that’s what it was about, but I suspect that like everything in our culture, this will be swept up before we notice it.
Joker had the opportunity to be a really good, interesting movie. I firmly believe the biggest unnoticed problem in our culture right now is loneliness, and this could have been a seminal look at our isolated time. It also could have been way funnier, or at least not taken itself so seriously at every moment. It could not have beaten the viewer over the head with the idea that Arthur Fleck is a strange guy and blasted us with genre typical booming orchestrals to remind us what we’re supposed to feel. Unfortunately, we got a version of AJ Soprano talking about Nietzsche, even if Joaquin Phoenix was doing it.
I firmly believe that we are, as a culture, attempting to relive 2004-2006 by playing World of Warcraft, listening to Tool, and watching self-serious Batman universe movies. But if this film had come out in that time and you removed The Joker from the equation, it would be forgotten a day after its release. Maybe years later, people would resuscitate parts of it to use in YouTube meme videos so the president would retweet it. Its main cultural cache would most likely be the DVD that your dirtiest friend always leaves on in his sweltering room.
But all of this comes together to make Joaquin Phoenix’s Arthur Fleck the perfect Joker for our era; something that produces a whirlwind or reaction and counter-reaction, to the point that people are absolutely positive every theater will produce one mass shooting or that Joker will replace all western canon, and after all that, we get a positively unremarkable expedition that will be forgotten by Thanksgiving, a product of a media economy where three companies who make everything keep it as efficient as possible by just making a few types of media properties and hoping people will tear each other apart in the cramped space to increase every product’s Q rating. It is an endless debate over a social phenomenon it’s not actually about, a boring culture war that will have no resolution, and a million jokes people on either side of it don’t actually have fun telling. It’s a bunch of clenched, gritting smiles that made Warner Brothers millions of dollars, and then you go home, more likely to die from boring yet equally evil indignities than getting killed at a culturally relevant event.
For a bonus, it’s in the superhero genre, one of three genres of film we are allowed now outside Noah Baumbach excursions about architects learning to accept their freewheeling stepbrothers and comedies that are made with an algorithm so every scene will be usable in GIF form. And you’ll probably be experiencing moral panics/emotional defenses of every single one of them for the rest of your life.
Todd Phillips may have performed the greatest Joker’s trick of all time, however. He may have made a movie that is more “5.5 out of 10” than any movie before it, and tricked us all into either arguing about how it would cause an army of incels to murder everyone, or get us so annoyed at the constant state of fear we’re supposed to live in that we start arguing with those voices, creating an endless feedback loop of people that are now working 40 hours a week on a volunteer basis to raise Joker awareness. If Phillips is aware of both his limitations as an artist and the current, sick condition of the highest volume consumers of media, he is more twisted than Mr J. himself. But to that end, he should just make another Hangover movie. Our culture that wishes it were the mid 2000s is far more ripe for that.
Until they make another fucking one of these, see you out there in society!
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We review Ben Shapiro's book "The Right Side of History."
6:00 Amber: "He's a dumber Steve Bannon."
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mrstronghito
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2 hours ago
I wish you guys would make a master cut off all the Gorka appearances, it's one of the funniest running guests/gags on the show. Mr. CHAPO, SIR!
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6 hours ago
And now a Democratic President, Congress and Senate are rabidly, excitedly, funding the Azov Battalion.
It's a funny old world!
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7 hours ago
What happened to Virgil anyway?
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he was sent to Budapest
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I heard he was last seen on Little St. James Island 🏝
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Can't call yourself a revolutionary if you don't own a gun 😘
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Don't call yourself a revolutionary because you bought a gun either though...I'm getting very strong larper vibes.
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@berdy derg never did. It's a blurry line between training and LARPing
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15 hours ago
gorka and george takai should do a debate, we would have audio gold for years, "OHHH MIIY - HRRMMYESS"
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15 hours ago
James Adomian alongside say Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi were the first true stars on the O.G. Chapo. Respect.
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19 hours ago
THE DAY IS NIGH, MISTER CHAPO.
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Love you Chapo boys❤(and 1 girl)
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The girl being Adam whomst I love. (cause I’m gay.)
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Gorka Morka.
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Newsmax Host Cuts Off and Yells at U.S. Army Veteran for Telling the Truth
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Stupid host on the crazy conservative news network Newsmax started yelling “cut him off!” when a guest mildly criticized President Trump about the circumstances of the Afghanistan withdrawal. The guest, Joe Saboe, had also criticized the Biden administration's response. Representative Ted Lieu explains details of the bad deal Trump made with the Taliban.
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4 days ago
Felix became the Elden Lord and achieved the Hunter ending.
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Still maidenless, then.
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“Children of C’Mon, Man” is such a great joke that sadly will never work in any other context
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4 days ago
Not with that attitude, Jack!
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3 days ago
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3 days ago
Three strains of separate nonsense meaning eachother at one perfect point, then separating into parallel lines never to cross one another ever again.
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Christian Anderson
4 days ago
This actually sounds like a pretty fun read. He doesn't seem as grotesque as Don Jr. or Jared Kushner, but damn is he solidly a member of the same ilk, and so comically unaware of it.
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4 days ago
I'd like to see an analysis of the second sons of the US political aristocracy that pulls out the frequency of character traits and life decisions like Hunter and Jr trying to head out on their own.
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4 days ago
It’s not “like” Beau is named after Joe. He WAS named after Joe. Beau’s name was Joseph Robinette Biden III. Beau was a nickname.
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Yeah, also Beau is short for “Beautiful” — he got that nickname cause when he came out of his mom womb & got born & stuff, everyone could immediately see how beautiful he was, and so Joe goes “my god, he is so fucking hot” and then they’re like “yeah let’s call him Beau which is short for beautiful.”
crazy story but yea there u have it
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3 days ago
It's really no mystery about why he's so charming, he's a classic stereotype out of a Ms. Marple novel: The Unscrupulous Young Man. He's not hollow, he has beliefs, convictions, sorrows and deep love for certain other people, he just has absolutely no moral fiber whatsoever.
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2 days ago
'The Bidens' will be such a great show. American exceptionalism incarnate. I'm glad you acknowledged that Bo was the actual disgraceful maverick of the clan.
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4 days ago
Hell yeah dude. Hunter is aspirational.
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3 days ago
He certainly aspirates a lot, from what I hear.
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3 days ago
Hanlon's Razor is very popular it seems.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
I think people like applying it because it lets them imagine they're smarter than the subject. And Malice has of course made a note of that fact. Therefore I find the opposite to Hanlon's Razor to be a much more powerful tool.
"Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice"
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4 days ago
Honestly as a recovering heroin/crack addict I can identify with hunter biden more than I can any other presidents son. I'd vote for him any day
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Rat king 666
Rat king 666
4 days ago
Hunter Biden for president
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Will Elliot
Will Elliot
4 days ago
He definitely plays bloodborne and acts like they are addressing him by name the whole game.
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4 days ago
can't wait for hunter vs. don jr. in 2028. who will be president party boy supreme? they probably have the same dealer.
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4 days ago
Junior can't win, he's too attached to the beard. The American people haven't elected a bearded man in 150 years.
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16 hours ago
Nice to see y'all gobbling hunter's D
I expected no less
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Hunter Brandon
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4 days ago
Good morning, Sunday morning
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William Chamberlain
William Chamberlain
4 days ago
Hunter Biden is kind of a Jerry
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1 year ago
I worked as a picture framer in Dublin which is the city next to Pleasanton, and I had to frame some original drawings for a show in like 2013. I had to del with his wife who held an iPad with him on Skype approving the design. He came in person to get the pieces and he just stared dead eyed at then and softly mumbles “okay” . I thanked him and he just turned and slowly walked off. Master of seduction he was.
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1 year ago
I believe dead-eyed monosyllabism is actually more seductive than high facility with language. But that's just going on my own experience as a man who possesses high facility with language, and who's read one too many Psychology Today articles about how women ovulate when men grunt and squint.
Then Again: At 22:00 et seq Will reveals that Adams had vocal dystonia, which might have cost him his first marriage (yeah, musta been that, right?) and was allegedly corrected by nerve surgery. Or maybe wife two just responded more hormonally to grunting.
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Youtube is highkey garbage
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@RatPfink66 I think she got tired of his shit and punched him in the throat so hard it gave him vocal dystonia
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1 year ago (edited)
I actually read both "Gods Debris" and "How to win everything but still win big". Both I believe were before his alt right transformation, but I enjoyed both reasonably. Gods debris was ok, what always struck me as incredibly naïve was a scene where god is telling the reader that the reason why everyone had different views was merely because they had different information, when it just so utterly fails to account for how our biases influence what information we absorb in the first place, or it's a really poorly worded free will argument. His other book was largely just an entertaining story of his life and his experiences, and was actually pretty funny and interesting, but contained basically just the generic self help stuff (affirmations, how to build your skill stack, etc). At the time of my life when I was reading it though it was relevant to me and I enjoyed it. It's a shame to see a guy who has lived a pretty witty and interesting life obviously struggle to cope with getting old...
This piece also explains his voice condition wrong. Basically parts of his speech started entirely to fade out, resulting in a lot of his words almost fading out in the middle of his sentences due to being unable to say almost like a certain note in speech. The cutting of the nerve requires no speaking for weeks after the surgery, and humming at a specific tune seems to help so he speculates that he had a permanently wounded vocal chord which just needed to be absolutely not engaged for a few weeks to heal properly. He also had a problem where he stopped being able to use a pencil for a bit and had to trick his muscle memory into letting him use it again. Again, a weird and interesting guy lost to Trump hypnosis lmao.
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Kyle Wollman
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1 year ago
I started reading one of Adams' books, I think it was the Dilbert Principle, before he came out as a Trump devotee and in it he blames losing one of his jobs on minorities. He claims that his company told him they would no longer promote white men, so he would have to work somewhere else if he wanted to continue advancing his career. It seemed like an odd thing to write about, but in retrospect it makes so much sense.
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1 year ago
it is immoral to right privilege to minorities simply based on their status; positive discrimination is no different from jim crow.
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1 year ago
I’m
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1 year ago
Mmmmmmm
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Subversively Surreal
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1 year ago
‘The Dilbert Principle’…🤣
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Chillbo Swaggins
Chillbo Swaggins
1 year ago
well if his company told him that then they were being discriminatory and he was right to not be cool with it
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cszollinger
cszollinger
1 year ago
Man I loved that book back when I read it many years ago... In... A different life lol. But geez I can't remember I didn't notice that. Wtf
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8 months ago
@Chillbo Swaggins why would they tell him that though? Engage your brain for 10 seconds and it's pretty easy to tell that it's a made up story.
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Half Baked | Chapo Trap House episode 612 (3/21/22)
http://youtu.be/jwfsglZOF7E
"Dallas was built by people who for religious reason can't drink soda, but they're allowed to have sex slaves."
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Tom Shillue riffs on how things have changed since the 70s on 'Gutfeld!'
http://youtu.be/FgTTxo6Wtv8
Thomas A. Shillue is an American stand-up comedian, actor, author, and talk-show host from Norwood, Massachusetts. He was a correspondent on The Daily Show on Comedy Central and hosted Red Eye on Fox News. He has been a supporting cast member on... Wikipedia
Born: 13 June 1966 (age 55 years), Norwood, Massachusetts, United States
Spouse: Denise Shillue (m. 2003)
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Jeffrey Goldberg Loves MBS | Chapo Trap House
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Melanie Sheldon
Melanie Sheldon
5 hours ago
Israel is guilty of genocide in Palestine and Yemen.
Could you talk about them?
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John Penisini
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We all know that already. Chapo is mostly a comedy podcast.
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Cubby
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cool it with the antisemitism
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John Penisini
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@Cubby anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. I'm Jewish and I support BDS and ending all theocracies.
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Wind Chimes
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@John Penisini I think it was an American Psycho reference
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they talk about israel constantly lol
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@FreakyZed bro I think they were joking
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berdy derg
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3 hours ago
Everyone on this channel is well aware, go yell into the abyss that is libs defending it
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@Cubby haha nice troll
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@Cubby don’t play that game Israeli Zionism is not equated to Jewish it’s politics and many Jews are against Israel
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@John Penisini welcome Jewish brother from a Palestinian. We should all live together
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5 hours ago
15 of the 19 hijackers.... just sayin
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15:17 great soundboard
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Chronic the Weedhog
6 hours ago
In an attempt to win over American minority communities, he will take a knee at all future bonesaw dismemberments of journalists
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Hi I'm Mohammed bin Salman, welcome to Jackass!
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People like MBS should be like Voldemort to these people who usually drone on about the divine mission of US imperialism because the you know the whole chopping journalists heads off thing.
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Chapo Reading Series - Thomas Friedman Wants a Biden-Cheney Ticket in 2024
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You're Not Going To Remember Any Of This Shit: Joker, Reviewed
ByFelix Biederman
10/04/19 9:48AM
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“The feeling that the future does not exist, that it is only more of the same, means all utopias are meaningless. Literature has always been relegated to utopia, so when utopia loses meaning, so does literature.”
-Karl Ove Knausgaard, Min Kamp 1
“I’ve tried to find meaning in my life, and I just can’t.”
-Brian Griffin (The Dog), Seth McFarlane’s Family Guy (Volume 10).
Certain periods of American history can now be viewed solely through the lens of the Joker we had at the time. The 1960s had Cesar Romero, whose slapstick hijinks mirrored the CIA’s comical efforts to kill communist leaders using exploding condoms and poisoned dental dams. The 1990s gave us Jack Nicholson, a relic of decades past who committed Adbusters-like crimes such as making an art gallery very scary and twisted. In our dark and gritty aftermath of 9/11 and the national humiliation in Iraq, we had dark and gritty Heath Ledger, arguably the most iconic iteration of the character.
When we snapped out of our angst, we had Jared Leto play the funniest Joker of all time, an initially unintentionally funny byproduct of a moron actor who thought himself far smarter than he actually was, in turn talked about endlessly by members of the media who thought themselves far smarter than they actually were (hey, that’s me!). The months we spent making fun of Leto’s Joker actually look very quaint now. They’re sort of a time capsule, a last look at what semi-irony literate media obsessives spoke and behaved like before Donald Trump was elected, possibly the very last instance of everyone having sustained fun together.
In the three years since, the same throngs still consume every bit of media tossed their way, but with a new seriousness. People who read and react to every post, article, show, and movie have had their brains battered by the Trump era. The human mind probably could not process the sheer volume of things we were supposed to react to before this all became too real for us back in November 2016, and it assuredly cannot now.
Every single day, a few odd hundred thousand people stare into poisonous blue light rays and feel debilitating rage at some things that understandably prompt it and some things that do not. In any event, they will respond with a generic style of online sarcasm that’s been culled from the greatest perma-banned posters of the last decade and sanitized into nothingness. You spew out their words while you react to every macro and micro Trump scandal, watching him mostly weather each cycle not so much unscathed, but ready for a new one that will make you forget about the last one. Everyone is always having a normal one in the normal world, as we clench our teeth so hard we begin to bleed.
People aren’t complete idiots, and know that consuming and reacting to every bit of political media input in and of itself won’t change anything. But I think for some, they’re in a paralyzed state. It’s like a hangover, where any light or movement causes unfathomable pain and you’ve just got to lie in a dehydrated heap until those vapors leave your brain. You know the boring, inconclusive future, and so you have no use in imagining a better life. You just sit around reacting until the next thing.
If you’ve got into the habit of taking and spitting out everything, it’s easy to apply the same rubric to culture. That is how you get the reaction you got to Todd Phillips’s 2019 Joker. In goes a shockingly average movie that I’d probably rate under Four Brothers, out goes more fear-mongering and vociferous defense than for any movie from the past couple of years.
I made sure to see this movie in a well-trafficked theater because I wanted to see if I could spot any undercover cops. However, I made the stupid choice of going to Williamsburg, where everyone looks like a cop on an NBC show. The theater could have been all unusually telegenic cops and then just me, and I never would have figured it out. For what it’s worth, the place was packed to the brim. I’m sure Williamsburg has its fair share of media over-consumers, but judging by the smattering of applause the film received at the end, I don’t think they were well represented at my particular screening.
The movie itself is very straightforward. Arthur Fleck (Joaquin Phoenix in a typically incredible performance) is a man with severe neurological trauma, with one of the symptoms being that he laughs at inappropriate times. Fleck lives with his elderly mother Penny (Frances Conroy) and takes care of her, both revelling in Murray Franklin’s (Robert De Niro) late night comedy show. He works as a clown, performing tasks such as sign spinning and hospital visits. He seems to enjoy his work, although he is frequently abused and demeaned by the public and seen as a weirdo by his coworkers.
One night Fleck is on the subway, reflecting on his long day of being in society, and he sees a group of Wall Street pricks aggressively hit on, then harass a woman in his train car. One thing leads to another, and our protagonist shoots them dead to the last man in one of the film’s best scenes. From there, Fleck decides to show society who’s living in who. He performs standup, but his laughing disorder interrupts his prewritten jokes about what it’s like being on Tinder. He has a dalliance with pretty and charming single mother Sophie Dumond (Zazie Beetz). He is led to believe he is actually the love child of his mother and fascist industrialist Thomas Wayne (Brett Cullen). He is suspected, then pursued for the murder of the three men on the subway who he robbed of a future of investing in Theranos. His murders start a social movement in Gotham’s underclass, who begin identifying with clowns.
Fleck is eventually called up to Murray’s show after his nervous laughter-riddled set goes the 1970s version of viral, which was when your uncle mailed you a VHS tape and you made copies and mailed it to your friends and it became a national story approximately two years later. Before making it there, Fleck gets absolutely duffed by the pencil-pusher schlub Thomas Wayne when he tries to confront him. He then kills his hospitalized mother after realizing both that he is adopted and that she enabled horrific abuse on him as a child. Then he realizes he hallucinated his courtship with Sophie.
Fleck goes on Murray’s show, and after uncomfortably forcing a kiss with a Dr. Ruth stand-in (Sondra James), goes all the way in on society. Before this scene, I would actually fantasize about being society, because people would never notice my hypocrisy. Trust me, I do not have that wish anymore. Fleck freaks out and shoots Murray in the head, and then after being arrested, is freed by a rioting group of clown protestors, one of whom shoots Thomas and Martha Wayne (Carrie Louise Putrello), giving us decades of gravely self-important movies about a guy who makes a scary voice to freak out the mafia.
This was one of the most middling films I have ever seen. It may have been fully bad, but I just graded it higher due to how great Phoenix is. It actually made a ton of sense; if someone had just laid it out bare, that the director of The Hangover series was going to make his version of King of Comedy but with The Joker, I would not have been so excited to see it. Todd Phillips’s comedic repertoire is a bunch of guys seeing a fat man in a speedo and exclaiming, “Okay, that’s just wrong!” Given a million tries, he could never make something as hilarious but uncomfortable as King of Comedy.
The movie had very little to do with the incel panic people built up around it. The Joker’s main antagonist is the wealthy, and for good reason. He has fantasies about women, but he doesn’t seem terribly interested in laying clown pipe. At no point does he consider getting cosmetic cranial surgery. But everyone pinning this particular set of fears on this movie was incredibly predictable, as “incel” is one of those words journalists learned a year ago and have tricked themselves into believing they’ve known it their whole lives and can deploy it fluently. People saw this and decided that a movie about an abandoned, sad, abused man was about their new favorite word, alternating between repetitive mockery and belief that they would be martyred for reviewing it. It could be one of the darkly funnier outcomes, that this unremarkable movie about a sad, fucked-up guy becomes a rallying point for incels solely because journalists decided that’s what it was about, but I suspect that like everything in our culture, this will be swept up before we notice it.
Joker had the opportunity to be a really good, interesting movie. I firmly believe the biggest unnoticed problem in our culture right now is loneliness, and this could have been a seminal look at our isolated time. It also could have been way funnier, or at least not taken itself so seriously at every moment. It could not have beaten the viewer over the head with the idea that Arthur Fleck is a strange guy and blasted us with genre typical booming orchestrals to remind us what we’re supposed to feel. Unfortunately, we got a version of AJ Soprano talking about Nietzsche, even if Joaquin Phoenix was doing it.
I firmly believe that we are, as a culture, attempting to relive 2004-2006 by playing World of Warcraft, listening to Tool, and watching self-serious Batman universe movies. But if this film had come out in that time and you removed The Joker from the equation, it would be forgotten a day after its release. Maybe years later, people would resuscitate parts of it to use in YouTube meme videos so the president would retweet it. Its main cultural cache would most likely be the DVD that your dirtiest friend always leaves on in his sweltering room.
But all of this comes together to make Joaquin Phoenix’s Arthur Fleck the perfect Joker for our era; something that produces a whirlwind or reaction and counter-reaction, to the point that people are absolutely positive every theater will produce one mass shooting or that Joker will replace all western canon, and after all that, we get a positively unremarkable expedition that will be forgotten by Thanksgiving, a product of a media economy where three companies who make everything keep it as efficient as possible by just making a few types of media properties and hoping people will tear each other apart in the cramped space to increase every product’s Q rating. It is an endless debate over a social phenomenon it’s not actually about, a boring culture war that will have no resolution, and a million jokes people on either side of it don’t actually have fun telling. It’s a bunch of clenched, gritting smiles that made Warner Brothers millions of dollars, and then you go home, more likely to die from boring yet equally evil indignities than getting killed at a culturally relevant event.
For a bonus, it’s in the superhero genre, one of three genres of film we are allowed now outside Noah Baumbach excursions about architects learning to accept their freewheeling stepbrothers and comedies that are made with an algorithm so every scene will be usable in GIF form. And you’ll probably be experiencing moral panics/emotional defenses of every single one of them for the rest of your life.
Todd Phillips may have performed the greatest Joker’s trick of all time, however. He may have made a movie that is more “5.5 out of 10” than any movie before it, and tricked us all into either arguing about how it would cause an army of incels to murder everyone, or get us so annoyed at the constant state of fear we’re supposed to live in that we start arguing with those voices, creating an endless feedback loop of people that are now working 40 hours a week on a volunteer basis to raise Joker awareness. If Phillips is aware of both his limitations as an artist and the current, sick condition of the highest volume consumers of media, he is more twisted than Mr J. himself. But to that end, he should just make another Hangover movie. Our culture that wishes it were the mid 2000s is far more ripe for that.
Until they make another fucking one of these, see you out there in society!
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Sympathy For The Joker | Chapo Trap House | Episode 356 FULL
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Pod Darn America (Chapo Trap House ep. 225 CLIP)
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2 Cities, 1 Cup | Chapo Trap House | Episode 306 FULL
http://youtu.be/-xIFQaYq-n8
We review Ben Shapiro's book "The Right Side of History."
6:00 Amber: "He's a dumber Steve Bannon."
The Story of Aaron Swartz...
http://youtu.be/9vz06QO3UkQ
Twisted Tales - Chapo Trap House ep. 346 FULL
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Rahm Emmanuelle: The Joys of a Neolib feat. Ryan Grim (Chapo Trap House ep. 318 FULL)
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The Story of Coach O -- Chapo Trap House ep. 378 FULL
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Borderline - Chapo Trap House ep. 212 FULL
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John McCain's imperial funeral: Veteran Mike Prysner on the warmonger's betrayal
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Gorka IV | Chapo Trap House
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CLIP from Episode 162 - Arab Spring Breakers feat. GORKA* (11/28/17)
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mrstronghito
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2 hours ago
I wish you guys would make a master cut off all the Gorka appearances, it's one of the funniest running guests/gags on the show. Mr. CHAPO, SIR!
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6 hours ago
And now a Democratic President, Congress and Senate are rabidly, excitedly, funding the Azov Battalion.
It's a funny old world!
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7 hours ago
What happened to Virgil anyway?
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he was sent to Budapest
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I heard he was last seen on Little St. James Island 🏝
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Heckler and Jeckler and Cock 9mm is my side piece of choice
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Can't call yourself a revolutionary if you don't own a gun 😘
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berdy derg
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11 hours ago
Don't call yourself a revolutionary because you bought a gun either though...I'm getting very strong larper vibes.
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John Penisini
11 hours ago
@berdy derg never did. It's a blurry line between training and LARPing
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@John Penisini :)
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15 hours ago
gorka and george takai should do a debate, we would have audio gold for years, "OHHH MIIY - HRRMMYESS"
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15 hours ago
James Adomian alongside say Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi were the first true stars on the O.G. Chapo. Respect.
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15 hours ago
The glory days.
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16 hours ago
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19 hours ago
THE DAY IS NIGH, MISTER CHAPO.
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19 hours ago
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20 hours ago
Love you Chapo boys❤(and 1 girl)
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The girl being Adam whomst I love. (cause I’m gay.)
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20 hours ago
Gorka Morka.
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Gorka Maclunky.
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CLIP from Episode 267 - Eric the Bewitched (11/29/18)
Newsmax Host Cuts Off and Yells at U.S. Army Veteran for Telling the Truth
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Stupid host on the crazy conservative news network Newsmax started yelling “cut him off!” when a guest mildly criticized President Trump about the circumstances of the Afghanistan withdrawal. The guest, Joe Saboe, had also criticized the Biden administration's response. Representative Ted Lieu explains details of the bad deal Trump made with the Taliban.
Chapo Reading Series - Hunter Biden's Memoir
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4 days ago
Felix became the Elden Lord and achieved the Hunter ending.
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Still maidenless, then.
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“Children of C’Mon, Man” is such a great joke that sadly will never work in any other context
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Not with that attitude, Jack!
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3 days ago
Time stamp?
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3 days ago
Three strains of separate nonsense meaning eachother at one perfect point, then separating into parallel lines never to cross one another ever again.
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Christian Anderson
4 days ago
This actually sounds like a pretty fun read. He doesn't seem as grotesque as Don Jr. or Jared Kushner, but damn is he solidly a member of the same ilk, and so comically unaware of it.
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4 days ago
I'd like to see an analysis of the second sons of the US political aristocracy that pulls out the frequency of character traits and life decisions like Hunter and Jr trying to head out on their own.
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4 days ago
It’s not “like” Beau is named after Joe. He WAS named after Joe. Beau’s name was Joseph Robinette Biden III. Beau was a nickname.
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Yeah, also Beau is short for “Beautiful” — he got that nickname cause when he came out of his mom womb & got born & stuff, everyone could immediately see how beautiful he was, and so Joe goes “my god, he is so fucking hot” and then they’re like “yeah let’s call him Beau which is short for beautiful.”
crazy story but yea there u have it
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Adam P
3 days ago
It's really no mystery about why he's so charming, he's a classic stereotype out of a Ms. Marple novel: The Unscrupulous Young Man. He's not hollow, he has beliefs, convictions, sorrows and deep love for certain other people, he just has absolutely no moral fiber whatsoever.
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2 days ago
'The Bidens' will be such a great show. American exceptionalism incarnate. I'm glad you acknowledged that Bo was the actual disgraceful maverick of the clan.
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4 days ago
Hell yeah dude. Hunter is aspirational.
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He certainly aspirates a lot, from what I hear.
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3 days ago
Hanlon's Razor is very popular it seems.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
I think people like applying it because it lets them imagine they're smarter than the subject. And Malice has of course made a note of that fact. Therefore I find the opposite to Hanlon's Razor to be a much more powerful tool.
"Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice"
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4 days ago
Honestly as a recovering heroin/crack addict I can identify with hunter biden more than I can any other presidents son. I'd vote for him any day
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Rat king 666
Rat king 666
4 days ago
Hunter Biden for president
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Will Elliot
4 days ago
He definitely plays bloodborne and acts like they are addressing him by name the whole game.
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4 days ago
can't wait for hunter vs. don jr. in 2028. who will be president party boy supreme? they probably have the same dealer.
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Lincoln S
Lincoln S
4 days ago
Junior can't win, he's too attached to the beard. The American people haven't elected a bearded man in 150 years.
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qwerty
qwerty
16 hours ago
Nice to see y'all gobbling hunter's D
I expected no less
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Steven Smith
Steven Smith
4 days ago
Hunter Brandon
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UncleBeerus
UncleBeerus
4 days ago
Good morning, Sunday morning
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William Chamberlain
William Chamberlain
4 days ago
Hunter Biden is kind of a Jerry
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Max Blumenthal REACTS to Bad Faith Interview w/ Ro Khanna


On today's Bad Faith podcast, Briahna Joy Gray interviewed Rep Ro Khanna D-CA about a number of subjects including a recent dustup between Khanna and Gray Zone reporter Blumenthal over America's Ukraine foreign policy. Tonight, Blumenthal responds.
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